Promoting Commercial sUAS.

Av8Chuck

Av8Chuck

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kloner said:
that facebook post was a uas group with a coa at an airshow today in Colorado and they did the whole thing......

Not sure where this came from?
I am absolutely too tired to post the entire message of what happened today between myself and the faa, i truly cannot believe the change of heart we saw today after we worked with them. I will be posting a video to show a little proof of the unbelievably amazing change of heart. Its funny there is a clear separation of ideology between certain "sects," of the faa. I will be posting the footage tomorrow (hopefully), but after we had finished about 3.5 hours of filming, they were so impressed they asked us for footage to showcase the safe use and promotion of a positive response to the beta test that they ran. This was an faa sanctioned event, we were allowed to fly under the ama, thanks to mike harrington for making that possible. (He doesnt work for the faa). These people are human just like you and i, i think one of the wise old pilots said it best today, "it is easier for them (the faa) to say no to a new technology when they don't understand the technology. They will always say yes when they end up seeing and loving the technology if used in the right way." But the long story short, i met the guy who drafted a set of regulations, and got to hear some really honest opinions (although not official). Fact of the matter is this, the FAA is clearly after one main goal: safety. When someone doesn't fully understand drones then how can they make legitimate rules and regulations to certify pilots? Great question. We were told the wheels are turning and they haven't seen this much attention in "decades." You should expect that some sort of law will happen by end of next year. But it may take 4-5 years to really get into place. At the end of the day, the faa does not work for us... The really work for congress. We were told if we want something done we need to work with our congressmen, if we want to have our voices heard. Sounds pretty similiar to how the highschool history books say how congress works. I did hear about the lawsuits today, GREAT JOB PETER. I was also told that will, most likely, speed up this process. I will publish the coa in the footage so everyone can see. Im not completely full of ****. Cheers guys, stay positive, we will in the end...get what we want. Dont forget, tomorrow is the faa forum where we will be speaking, on integration.. The feed is going to be live on rmairshow.com i hope you guys chine in and represent the legitimacy, classy side of uav pilots that will make a difference in the world through responsible flight and incredible footage!
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I spoke to one of the FAA pinheads today, there's a huge difference between what happened in Colorado and Camarillo. The Colorado event is supported by the FAA because it reenforces their interpretation of "Hobbyist," its really just the AMA and FAA sucking up to each other. We were shut down because the FAA considered our advocacy for sUAS small business to be commercial. Of coarse if the flight demonstrations in Colorado supported the sales of RC equipment I don't understand why that wouldn't be considered commercial?

There was no grey area, once they considered our activity to be commercial, he said that was against the law and it was never even considered. The guy that I spoke to doesn't see the hypocrisy nor will they admit that defining the regulations based on Hobbyist vs professional is unreasonable. They even pulled the guy flying the RC Jet and he's been doing that for five years. This is bizarre. There were about five or six FAA officials at the show, and your right they DO NOT think they work for us, they strutted around the air show like they were the one's responsible for it because they "let us" play with our planes. Arrogant pricks -- I'm pissed.

I shouldn't admit this, I was parked at the show tower and one of them asked me for a ride to get some lunch, I gave him a ride then I left him so he had to walk back, When he got back he came up to me and started giving me grief about how I shouldn't be just driving around the show [before the politically correct agree with him, I had a ramp pass which allows me to go anywhere, which is why he asked me for the ride in the first place], I tole him to f%$# Off. I wish you could have seen his face. I know its stupid and not much of a victory and not something a responsible advocate for small sUAS businesses should do but it was either that or hit him.

I'll see if he asks for a ride tomorrow. I bet they revoke my ramp pass...
 


kloner

kloner

Aerial DP
i've never participated in but my local ama club has participated several times in the local airshow but as an ama group, not for hire.... years of it

http://www.weedwackers.org/ww/gallery/2012-wings-over-gillespie/

3 or 4 of them have uas service based companies, that's where the aerials came from, i see a local hobby shop banner in the both, that's commercial like there saying you are. The whole thing sucks, were gonna hit good cop bad cop, need to start a database of who's which way
 

MombasaFlash

MombasaFlash

Heli's & Tele's bloke
Av8Chuck said:
... I tole him to f%$# Off. ...
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It's the little things in life that make it all bearable.:)

You can watch French TV any day of the week and there is UAV aerial footage all over it, especially the magazine programmes that go around the country filming little articles on castles, or markets, or holiday villas and places ... UAV aerial footage is so ingrained it is almost passé these days.

THAT is how far behind America is.
 

kloner

kloner

Aerial DP
what worse is we can watch television at almost any hour in america and it's plumb full of uav footage. every car commercial, every solar commercial, alot of the food and soap commercials. Theres ben 20-30 companies going wide open for all the major production houses for years.... CC is 5 or 6 years in, non stop, follow some on instagram...

the production world here in america is a trip, very tightly grouped, all the same people from all the same companies stay very low key on very remote closed sets and it's super easy. Last week i was flying a gig down a highway that was being closed off by State Cops.... they were diggin it.
 

kloner

kloner

Aerial DP
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Droider

Droider

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I though the USA was the land of the 'FREE' What a load of bollocks, your just corporate porns. I can't belive this crap.

We are requested to film at Giant Scale shows


Others on the same site!

There rate just my quick down and dirty cuts, all the footage is handed over for the Club DVD's

http://www.largemodelassociation.com

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Ronan

Member
MombasaFlash said:
It's the little things in life that make it all bearable.:)

You can watch French TV any day of the week and there is UAV aerial footage all over it, especially the magazine programmes that go around the country filming little articles on castles, or markets, or holiday villas and places ... UAV aerial footage is so ingrained it is almost passé these days.

THAT is how far behind America is.
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Yupp! Same with most EU countries, and also UK and even Canada that just messed up their UAV laws for no apparent reason (they will probably switch back in a few months).

The way the FAA officers are acting reminds me of mall cops... think they own the place. I hope they don't carry firearms because then i'll be scared... :upset:

This is really getting ridiculous... isn't congress going to step in and put them back in their place? 10 years they are 'making laws' about sUAV's, they aren't meeting their deadlines, they are harassing hobbyist and small business owners, they are breaking laws and regulations...
 
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Av8Chuck

Av8Chuck

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Shortly after the air show I had to go to New Mexico and Montana for three week and then it took me nearly a month to get caught up once I got home so I was not able to post this until now.

This video was intended to capture the attention of people walking by the Static display booth for the multirotors that were going to be used in the show, when the FAA pulled the plug on our participation I never actually completed the video. I wanted to add a narrative to the video so that when it played in the WayPoint restaurant it advocated for the commercial use of sUAS but didn't have the chance.

Nevertheless, thanks to all that contributed to this video. Not only is the footage that they provided inspirational but they don't have a dog in this hunt, whether sUAS is legal in the US probably has little to no direct effect on their daily operations yet they were motivated to help all of us trapped in the middle of this anarchy.

Thanks you.

 
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Av8Chuck

Av8Chuck

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Since I wasn't flying and I didn't have a booth but I did have a shinny new GH4, I went around and shot the Camarillo air show. There's no aerial in this so I'm not going to post this is the video thread but I thought for those that offered to help and those that provided footage for the reel you might like to see what could have been...

It was unfortunate that it didn't work out the way that it might have, this is actually a nice air show. The video is not as good as it should be either, I was really pissed off but since I was trying to figure out how to use the GH4 I eventually got over it.

 
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Buzz_Roavr

Buzz_Roavr

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Av8Chuck said:
Shortly after the air show I had to go to New Mexico and Montana for three week and then it took me nearly a month to get caught up once I got home so I was not able to post this until now.

This video was intended to capture the attention of people walking by the Static display booth for the multirotors that were going to be used in the show, when the FAA pulled the plug on our participation I never actually completed the video. I wanted to add a narrative to the video so that when it played in the WayPoint restaurant it advocated for the commercial use of sUAS but didn't have the chance.

Nevertheless, thanks to all that contributed to this video. Not only is the footage that they provided inspirational but they don't have a dog in this hunt, whether sUAS is legal in the US probably has little to no direct effect on their daily operations yet they were motivated to help all of us trapped in the middle of this anarchy.

Thanks you.

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Thats great!
 
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Old Man

Old Man

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Nicely done on both counts Chuck. The sounds of Camarrillo had to have been awesome. Who flew the Northrup wing proto?
 

Av8Chuck

Av8Chuck

Member
I don't remember his name, he was very funny. A real potential problem for that plane is that he is the only pilot who has every flown it, when he stops flying they will probably just hang it in a museum.

It was a very cool plane.
 

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