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I emailed the shop where I purchases mine from, and he said they are not refunding anybody and it was not possible to get a refund? If this is in fact the case? I will be most annoyed...
Ferrite rings can solve EMI issues - but ideally the need to be selected for the precise frequency of EMI encountered. So just putting "a ferrite ring" on a particular wire run may reduce the EMI but probably not remove it. Twisting the wires together is usually pretty effective, probably more so than a randomly selected ferrite.
As to a better alternative - I gather the current contenders are Picloc and Hoverfly Gimbal - but I'm not following either of those products.
Speaking as someone who has actually fitted the ferrite rings and done a good twisted cable loom I can say that the improvement is very small. It will not take away the intensity of interference when the model is airborne. The cross axis interference increases to more than just jitter, it actually starts to induce very large cross movements. The accumulation of errors gets out of hand.
I think PH MUST offer refund since they false advertised the product and it just don't do what it supposed to do...
I'll save that for the last option as i am still hoping for a positive outcome. Only thing that i just don't understand is what was different to the Skyline module we have and the one PH tested and said okay to to take into production. We have all seen something else in the first promo video i think.
darkovujasinovic
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Iknow this is skyline post but as it does not work, Does anybody know :
What is the difference between Picloc 3x and 3x pro ?
What is the difference between Picloc 3x and 3x pro ?
There's no difference since you can't buy either one, G.M. put a bunch of us on waiting list at begiining of this year with promised delivery in april...
What happend with vendors in this buisniss, they all act very unprofessional...
Even if PH fix jitter and other problems (i doubt), it seems that adding pan stabilisation and having advertised 3axis is mission impossible, and I feel scammed...
My skyline is number over 880 (if numbers on those savox box skyline came, mean anything) , so they will have to refund over 200,000eur...
What happend with vendors in this buisniss, they all act very unprofessional...
Even if PH fix jitter and other problems (i doubt), it seems that adding pan stabilisation and having advertised 3axis is mission impossible, and I feel scammed...
My skyline is number over 880 (if numbers on those savox box skyline came, mean anything) , so they will have to refund over 200,000eur...
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GeorgeM
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@darkovujasinovic, thanks for asking. The difference is that the PRO has extra hardware ( digital compass, and a big FLASH memory for special functions and stuff I intend to introduce in near future )
@iscorama... I can very well understand your frustration. I was in same position as yourself 4,5,6 years ago with products I purchased from respectable brands. Little or no support.
At least, with my Piclocs, I have, and still offered personal support, sometimes even 2/3 hours straight online with customers. Completely free.. Or you may see it as part of the cost. Indeed....
I've even set up complete systems remotely to customers who did not even understand what a servo or servo neutral adjustment is !! Sometimes even with the person on the other end NOT even understanding a word of pure ENGLISH !!!
So... Please... do not refer to ALL as unprofessional.
Sometimes I got the pleasure of visiting my customers personally.... plane and taxi !!
All this at the expense of very precious family time, kids, etc.
Please I'd also appreciate if you don't use my full name.... I don't even know yours !!
If you say you are on the waiting list, then there is a very good reason why you are not playing with the new Picloc v2 right now.
This gimbal stabilization stuff ( I don't even call it 'business' in my case.. I am a one man band ) is very specialist area.
A lot can go wrong ( as you can clearly see from this thread... and even the Picloc one for all that matters).
Every developer is inventing the wheel for himself.... everything is very closely guarded secret. ( A lot of hard work is deep inside the firmwares ).
If you know better then throwing sand in the air.... I urge you to build your own stabilization unit. I'm your first customer. I like to have a lot of toys.
Fullstop.
gm.
@iscorama... I can very well understand your frustration. I was in same position as yourself 4,5,6 years ago with products I purchased from respectable brands. Little or no support.
At least, with my Piclocs, I have, and still offered personal support, sometimes even 2/3 hours straight online with customers. Completely free.. Or you may see it as part of the cost. Indeed....
I've even set up complete systems remotely to customers who did not even understand what a servo or servo neutral adjustment is !! Sometimes even with the person on the other end NOT even understanding a word of pure ENGLISH !!!
So... Please... do not refer to ALL as unprofessional.
Sometimes I got the pleasure of visiting my customers personally.... plane and taxi !!
All this at the expense of very precious family time, kids, etc.
Please I'd also appreciate if you don't use my full name.... I don't even know yours !!
If you say you are on the waiting list, then there is a very good reason why you are not playing with the new Picloc v2 right now.
This gimbal stabilization stuff ( I don't even call it 'business' in my case.. I am a one man band ) is very specialist area.
A lot can go wrong ( as you can clearly see from this thread... and even the Picloc one for all that matters).
Every developer is inventing the wheel for himself.... everything is very closely guarded secret. ( A lot of hard work is deep inside the firmwares ).
If you know better then throwing sand in the air.... I urge you to build your own stabilization unit. I'm your first customer. I like to have a lot of toys.
Fullstop.
gm.
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Im sorry for using your full name, didn't realised that's taboo, only did it because I saw you are using it and bunch of other guys on your thread...Again Im sorry for that, won't do it again for sure..
As other things go, from my expiriance, you are far from profesional and I didn't wrote anything that it wasnt true.
Can I know that 'very good reason'?
Im just a member of a forum, you are a seller here and offer support here, and wrote your name yourself several times.. i don't know what's the big problem, you better focus on not lying to your potential customers and waisting your time to find out names of forum members. If you just asked nice I would told you...Ok.. some powerful research and I know your name( and surname ).
If you edit out my name in your post, I will edit out your name from here.
You can, but you may not.
This is private, and does not belong to this thread.
I only jumped in here because you mentioned my name.
Fullstop.
gm
And as far for that to edit your name, i did it imidiatly after you said that you are incognito here and nobody should know your name, you can see when you post your last message and when is edited post with you name, o mysterious one...
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Hi guys,
I will throw in my .02 cents in an effort to help as I have gotten some ideas to try from some of you. I have thought about using a seperate Skyline for each axis for several weeks now, but I have been too busy to sit down and experiment. I had the Skyline working very well (not perfect) running with one battery and regulator powering the entire system with the power going through the Pan Servo lead. I should say that it was working fine as long as I kept the Roll gain turned down. I could only slide the tuner button over to the fifth line. If I went any higher the servos started to twitch. I had some time the last couple days so I started playing with different set ups and the new (H) power harness does not stop or slow down the jumpy Savox servos. Today I installed a second Skyline on the side of the mount right next to the main unit. I am using the origional unit for tilt axis and the one I just added for roll axis. I wanted to minimize the amount of batteries necessary to power this mess so I Used one two cell lipo that is hooked via a (Y) harness to two CC BEC Pros. The CC BEC Pros have two output wires for powering stuff so I have one BEC powering the tilt servo and Skyline, with only the ground being common between them and one BEC powering the roll servo and its Skyline. I have not twisted any wires nor do I have any type of noise supression in the system. Since both Skylines are sitting right next to each other all of the wires are bundled together. I can run the gains up as high as I want without introducing any servo jumping or twitching. I am very happy right now with the way this is working. I have next to no horizon drift in banked turns or doing pirouettes. It sucks to have to use two units to get to this performance level, but these things are actually very cheap.
I am heading out of town on a job at 5:00 AM tomorrow and I won't be back until Thursday of next week and then I am off to Muncie IN to the helicopter Nats and Team Trials so I won't be checking in on this thread much, but I will try to answer any questions as soon as I can log in.
Both units are operating on 1.3 software.
Hopefuly this will help some of you. I will be curious to see if anyone else using two Skylines, one for each axis, is have the same good luck.
Wayne Mann
I will throw in my .02 cents in an effort to help as I have gotten some ideas to try from some of you. I have thought about using a seperate Skyline for each axis for several weeks now, but I have been too busy to sit down and experiment. I had the Skyline working very well (not perfect) running with one battery and regulator powering the entire system with the power going through the Pan Servo lead. I should say that it was working fine as long as I kept the Roll gain turned down. I could only slide the tuner button over to the fifth line. If I went any higher the servos started to twitch. I had some time the last couple days so I started playing with different set ups and the new (H) power harness does not stop or slow down the jumpy Savox servos. Today I installed a second Skyline on the side of the mount right next to the main unit. I am using the origional unit for tilt axis and the one I just added for roll axis. I wanted to minimize the amount of batteries necessary to power this mess so I Used one two cell lipo that is hooked via a (Y) harness to two CC BEC Pros. The CC BEC Pros have two output wires for powering stuff so I have one BEC powering the tilt servo and Skyline, with only the ground being common between them and one BEC powering the roll servo and its Skyline. I have not twisted any wires nor do I have any type of noise supression in the system. Since both Skylines are sitting right next to each other all of the wires are bundled together. I can run the gains up as high as I want without introducing any servo jumping or twitching. I am very happy right now with the way this is working. I have next to no horizon drift in banked turns or doing pirouettes. It sucks to have to use two units to get to this performance level, but these things are actually very cheap.
I am heading out of town on a job at 5:00 AM tomorrow and I won't be back until Thursday of next week and then I am off to Muncie IN to the helicopter Nats and Team Trials so I won't be checking in on this thread much, but I will try to answer any questions as soon as I can log in.
Both units are operating on 1.3 software.
Hopefuly this will help some of you. I will be curious to see if anyone else using two Skylines, one for each axis, is have the same good luck.
Wayne Mann
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Like a few others I'm sure, I bought 4 Piclocs in the past and had no satisfaction from any of them despite some very good back up and personal help from GM. A nice guy but doesn't want to listen. Until the penny drops with regard to FSR it will be like all of the other crap out there. Maybe it now has, who knows when he doesn't answer emails.
I don't hear any offers of part exchange for something that may now work, or not, as the case may be.
When one considers that you can buy a APM-2 for 199 usd that is a very good FC board and it also has a good set of camera mount outputs. It puts this all into perspective. We are being ripped off.
I was also interested in the Hoverfly Board. Nice bunch of guys with the right qualifications - how could it not work? Just before I got the credit card out I saw this and everything then changed.
Sam makes a nice presentation but how could you fail to notice the response lag.
Compare it to this one.
I guess you get what you pay for. But having said that I am really unsure about this company. It has grown too fast and does not fall over backwards with any form of after sales service like a lot of the Chinese companies. It is time for someone like Hoverfly to take a close look at this stuff and get on the right track. :tennis:
My S/800 Zen that was returned to China has been given a deliberate run around for about a month now, so it is still waiting delivery to the factory.
I know exactly what they are up to.
I have made my own camera mounts for years now using components from mil. spec. obsoletes. Replication is impossible due to the costs involved but DJI took the same tried and tested theories and made it affordable. Is it not time to abandon the stone age following and throw out the servos and flimsy wobbly gimbals and start afresh.
I don't hear any offers of part exchange for something that may now work, or not, as the case may be.
When one considers that you can buy a APM-2 for 199 usd that is a very good FC board and it also has a good set of camera mount outputs. It puts this all into perspective. We are being ripped off.
I was also interested in the Hoverfly Board. Nice bunch of guys with the right qualifications - how could it not work? Just before I got the credit card out I saw this and everything then changed.
Compare it to this one.
My S/800 Zen that was returned to China has been given a deliberate run around for about a month now, so it is still waiting delivery to the factory.
I know exactly what they are up to.
I have made my own camera mounts for years now using components from mil. spec. obsoletes. Replication is impossible due to the costs involved but DJI took the same tried and tested theories and made it affordable. Is it not time to abandon the stone age following and throw out the servos and flimsy wobbly gimbals and start afresh.
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@DennyR:
That exact video (HF) was the reason that I steered away from them in favour of the Skyline. Now we all know that doesn't work either (unless you get a pair of them).
So I guess this narrows it down to; to get zenmuse-like video, you gotta have zenmuse... impressive demonstration! as everything else I've seen about it.
/Pär
That exact video (HF) was the reason that I steered away from them in favour of the Skyline. Now we all know that doesn't work either (unless you get a pair of them).
So I guess this narrows it down to; to get zenmuse-like video, you gotta have zenmuse... impressive demonstration! as everything else I've seen about it.
/Pär