Power supply for mega chargers

Bartman

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As the new owner of an iPower 306B I'm now in need of an appropriate power supply. Has anyone purchased one lately? If it's a 1000W charger is a 1000W power supply suficient? I suppose it depends on whether I intend to charge at the highest rates. I'll definitely charge 6 packs at a time but will probably keep charge rates in the 4C range.

THanks,
Bart
 


DucktileMedia

Drone Enthusiast
If you end up spending all this money and end up with all these large components to make this work, wouldn't it be better to just buy 4-6 skychargers(or equivalent) and bolt them all to a piece of plywood and run them off 1 power strip? Seems the wire tangles you end up with anyways negate the perk of having a charger that can charge 6 at a time. At least with 6 separate chargers you can see individual voltages of each cell and you know you aren't over working anything. I cant imagine a 120v AC 20A circuit isnt enough to power them.
 

kloner

Aerial DP
The quality of the charge you get off these ichargers especially fed with enough power is of such quality it's no comparison. There perfectly charged every time, has IR info and does it day in and day out over and over without breaking a sweat. Whole different animal

Everybody running these does the dual server powersupplies, alot of em pack them into those killer cases they got at progressive so it's all super clean and it's own one piece deal.

check out the bottom of this page, has a flash rotating image i can't get to display here
http://www.progressiverc.com/prc-hardline-cases.html
 

Bartman

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I've got 4 Cellpro Multi4 chargers mounted in the top of a three drawer tool box with a power supply. It all fits behind the front seat of my Honda and I can charge while I'm driving between jobs. The problem is that I need more charge capacity for larger jobs that have more stuff to shoot and, along with more batteries, the extra charge capacity presents the opportunity to try a new charging technique. 6 packs in what I hope will be about 40 minutes is pretty nice.
 

swisser

Member
I'll definitely charge 6 packs at a time but will probably keep charge rates in the 4C range.

What size packs?

As an example, take a 5S 5000maH pack. At 4C that's 20Amps and 420W per pack, so you're not going to be charging 6 of them at once with a 1000W charger. Charging six 5S packs your maximum charging current per pack is under 8Amps.

With the 306B (a great charger in my experience) you'll need 24V input to get the full 1000W out of it, so you'd need a second battery in your car.
 

kloner

Aerial DP
i believe it does 30 amp max

heres what it looks like going
 
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Bartman

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it eats a little overhead, but more important than 1000 watts is the whole 24v thing

you want 2 of these
http://www.ebay.com/itm/DELL-PowerEdge-2850-Server-Power-Supply-700W-NPS-700AB-R1446-/170778895500?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%2BC%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D180777503754%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8853104229003478370

http://www.tjinguytech.com/my-projects/server-ps

i did the ground isolation thing in both servers and got em wired in series. 1500 watts 24 volts

thanks. not bad, $27 for two shipped.
 


kloner

Aerial DP
if you go buy those speaker terminal connectors to put in the outputs from radio shack or the like, the connectors have 2 plastic washers a piece. Those work killer for isolating the pcb's from the cases. These aren't like the AT supplies, nothing else has to be done but ground isolating the cases so they don't spark. If i remember right, it took 7 washers for each supply to completely unground the case.

I have a set of these psu's here, there amazing for the money. All my friends got em, work kiler. My only complaint is the fans that cool these are incredibly loud. if you've ever been around a real server, you'll know what i mean. There made to cool, not much for comfort but makes it easy to remember to shut em off. Also a good reason to build a case
 

Bartman

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you can probably run two of the ichargers with those power supplies if you keep the charge setting down a bit, no?
 


jrlederer

Member
quick question for you guys who've been using the iCharger:

I've been using the 3010B model for quite some time. I always knew there was a much more cost efficient method of supplying this beast, but in the absence of proper tutorials and/or tried and true knowledge regarding how to wire together two 12V power supplies to work to provide the enormous amounts of power that these chargers are capable of drawing, I ended up erring on the safe side and purchasing one power supply 24V that was super-expensive but is able to charge up my 6S packs (for my 700E) four at a time in about 30 minutes from about half-capacity to full in each pack. It also works very well to charge my 4S six at a time in just about 45 minutes. My question is basically this: if costs were of secondary importance to performance, would you still choose to use the method of wiring the two supplies in series to provide the charger input power, or would that affect change in your choice of PSU's? I ask because I have a box full of other quality chargers such as Hyperion Duo II's as well as other high-end chargers that I have retired due to my only really high-end PSU being occupied by the iCharger 3010B. Since I also happen to have a couple very good PC 12V PSU's from Antec (I think, I need to go look) that I had purchased when the notion of repurposing these (much) cheaper PSU's for use as a bench supply @ 24V was forefront in my head. Since I ended up splurging for the simple 24V-in-one-box ripoff, I never ended up even opening the two PC PSU's that I picked up from Fry's one afternoon!
 

jrlederer

Member
Just figured I'd tell you all a story to stress how important it is to be more careful than ever with the current battery-chemistry of choice -- LITHIUM POLYMER: it would be prudent to keep a fire extinguisher in close reach of these crazy high-power charging setups, or just near any place you choose to store and charge these little potential terrorists. I know it seems like it will never happen, but I can tell you firsthand that I've had my share of close-calls with lipo batteries.

I know some people who, and I am not joking, will only charge lipos outside of their homes and only when the batteries are sitting in a cinderblock "fort" so-to-speak. These batteries are a.k.a. the world's most dangerous batteries for a reason. Especially after they've had possible impact from a hard landing or crash its always a very wise idea to leave them away from combustible materials for observation for a period no shorter than 20 minutes before packing them into a place out-of-reach, like your trunk for instance, and driving off. This could lead to a very uncomfortable situation, though to be honest, the molten material might burn a hole through the trunk bottom and end up on the road so it might not turn into a total loss if you are in motion. j/k about the last part.

Seriously, I was inpatient at a rehabilitation hospital and in the middle of the night, broke the curfew and rules regarding not leaving the premises and took my trex 500 out for a spin. I was out of practice after having been in the hospital already for 3 months and kinda forgot my routine of inspecting the surrounding area for hard-to-see features that might end an otherwise successful flight. Go figure, there was an impossibly thin overhead phone line that I was destined to be tangled with. Long story-shortened: I had my co-conspirator (one of the three 24-hour caretakers/nurses who was helping me manage my new wheelchair) pick up the mangled remains as I am well-versed in repairing even the most severe incidents, and had him toss the parts into my backpack. We returned to the room and I threw the stuff into a corner of the room where my charger was located. Knowing the risks associated with lipos, and having seen a video once of a small 800mAh 2S pack being intentionally overcharged, I had at least the instinct to utilize a gift one of my hobby-buddies brought me when I first was hospitalized: a lipo-safe bag -- one word -- bull****. It ought to be called a lipo-safer-than-using-nothing bag. The next day, thankfully I was in my room due to a lawyer coming to have some papers signed by me, as I heard a familiar sound (that I learned in the video of the small lipo fire) of a hissing. I reacted quickly and yelled to my caretaker to "run that bag out to the sidewalk and toss it far away from anyone now!!" He looked puzzled and I insisted he do it immediately. I hadn't yet made the connection in my head that we were on the 3rd floor of the hospital (funny only because ultimately nobody was injured and no significant property loss was incurred, but keep in mind I was located in the special rehabilitation ward for paralyzed and really fu**-ed up patients), but my guy began his jog down the hallway toward the elevator. I guess "thankfully??" he didn't make it to the elevator (as there's no escaping once those doors shut) but the rest of the story I can tell not by seeing, but rather by hearing during and the aftermath, as I was stuck in my room. I suddenly hear a bunch of screaming and then, lo and behold, the fire alarm triggered and all the doors slammed shut. An evacuation of the entire wing of the hospital was announced initially, but luckily there was a staff member with quick reflexes who obtained a fire extinguisher and put out the flames quickly, and so both the evacuation as well as the ready-to-go sprinkler system were both halted, leaving just the rehab unit to evacuate (which is the biggest pain in the *** you can possibly conjure up. Immobile people needing to be moved due to the overwhelming smoke screen that two decently sized 6S lipos (3800mAh) caused. Upon regrouping with my caretaker, he tells me "thanks god you the battery into grey bag -- my life safe!" Further investigation revealed that he was fortunate that when black smoke began pouring from the bag, that he put the lipo-kinda-safe bag with the opening facing away from him and the nurses station that was only a couple meters away. Once he was certain that there was no way he was going to continue holding the bag, he placed it on the ground and then there was not just a fire, but by witnesses account there was more like a jet engine's torch-like flame that measured about 2-3 meters for a second or two, then regular fire. It's funny (not haha funny, just ironic I guess), in retrospect, especially because in the days leading up to the incident I made no secret of the fact that I had these materials in my room, as many of the staff doctors, nurses and cleaning crew saw me working on the heli and were admiring it, quite honestly. This was much to my advantage in explaining the situation to the fire chief who was taking my statement, since it relieved me of financial responsibility in replacing all of the fire/smoke sensors that existed on the floor that I was on. Apparently, the chemical composition of the resulting smoke cloud was of a nature that made any sensors exposed to it unreliable for future use. As for the lipo bag, the fire department returned the rubbish to me after verifying it was extinguished. I had intended to send it to the manufacturer, but as it turns out, I had many more pressing issues to address during that period of my life, so somehow it got tossed away and I can only recount my memory of what it looked like. Ultimately, the bag provided some degree of protection, but ended up burning completely through in some spots and did NOT contain the jetting flames in the direction of the opening of the bag during the combustion.

I am telling everyone this story for two reasons: because it is comical, but more importantly to spotlight the FACT that lipos have very much potential for serious damage. I was extremely lucky and thankful that nobody was hurt directly or as a result of this mishap. This also occurred nearly 15 hours AFTER the crash I had with the helicopter, not to mention that I did observe the battery, even though it was protected by a fiberglass canopy as well as the battery itself showed no signs of physical damage as far as I could tell, or I would've tossed it into some salt-water and tossed it way before it making it back into my bedroom!! Just goes to show the warnings plastered all over these batteries was not written just for fun. It could happen to you! I had hundreds of hours of experience with these battery chemistry, and was always cautious as I was lectured by my mentors while I was learning that "every year people either lose their homes or cars or even die as a result of being stupid with these batteries...they're unsafe...PERIOD".
 


kloner

Aerial DP
how many people have 220 outlets in the US? one of the nice parts of the Server PSU's is it runs off 2x 110 outlets. I'd be extremely careful about doing multiple AT power supplies in series. not sure how that works

i'd do it over and over and over again. For $30, theres no reason not to. The power supply either works or doesn't. The charger is what fails/saves ya from lipo fires. So far 1 year in i've never seen anything but 24.6 volts come out the other end of this thing. it falls to 24.2v running 30 amp output and i've never seen any heat from the psu's

I'm 99% sure the lipo won't extinguish with a extinguisher but the stuff it lights is what your after putting out.
 

Danub

Member
i did the ground isolation thing in both servers and got em wired in series. 1500 watts 24 volts

Thanks for the info here I think I understand 95% of it. Just a few questions.

1. What is the ground isolation thing? and what does it do?
2. It seems the psu's are just "wired in series" on the output side, like 2x3s batts in series to make 6s??
3. Are the input plug wires "parallel" for ease of use??

I just wanna make sure. . . Fire extinguishers make such a mess in apartments ;)

Thanks
 

kloner

Aerial DP
it seperated the ground buss from the case........ so no arcing if they touch

yes, in series, works bitchen. I'm a year and half in, thousand plus cycles, easy
 

Bartman

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i didn't bother ungrounding the case. I mounted them so they can't touch and to market hem work you have to NOT give them a common ground when you wire them to plug into an outlet. To do this I just use the (household wiring is different from electronics wiring, keep that in mind) black HOT wire and the white NEUTRAL wire without using the bare GROUND wire. I the two HOT wires and joined two NEUTRAL wires and attached them to a two prong plug. If you also attach the two GROUND wires to each other then one of the power supplies will trip it's voltage protection and not have any DC output. I didn't look into the cases themselves to see why this is but just made it work and moved on. It's working fine.

Bart
 

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