Hoverfly Hoverfly GPS

LOL, mine might have the record on position hold at 4 months. ;)

Here is a photo of the latest Octo build. Wires are in-between the frame plates. Power is supplied by 2 x 5s batteries mounted to my AV200 underneath with a y harness that runs over the rear 3 booms so it does not sag and get caught on a panning camera mount. Ask me how I figured that issue out:black_eyed: How can I clean it up any more than this to get the wires out of the way. I agree that since the bolts don;t move, they should be picked up in the calibration. I have not even come close to getting this to work, but sure would like to. I will still change out the screws, but it will cost about $70 so really hope it is worth it.
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DucktileMedia

Drone Enthusiast
Don't bother! save your money. There is no way some metal is the issue here and honestly if it is then the mag has problems. There is a reason you calibrate the compass. The magnetic offset incurred by the steel should be a pretty constant variable, which should be accounted for in calibration. You and 99% of us have all our spaghetti in between or around the frame plates. This is unavoidable and should not have to be rerouted to improve accuracy. DJI has a mag built in to the rx dome, and clearly this works very well. Hopefully the external mag is something that will not take months and months to get ahold of as I am pretty sure this is the answer.
 

JZSlenker

Yeah, I can blow that up.
Yes, ferrous metal is an issue. That is why they are going to release a separate mag option, to get the mag away from those EMI sources. There are many people with excellent GPS hold results that changed from steel to aluminum fasteners to get excellent performance. (myself included). Plus I dropped an ounce or two of AUW - well worth the change. As for wiring, you can certainly choose not to address that issue, I'm just trying to help you get good GPS performance. Obviously HF is not DJI. (thank goodness).
 
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DucktileMedia

Drone Enthusiast
Amen to the last statement. Maybe hoverfly can chime in if this would make a difference or not. Most people are using stainless hardware not steel bolts. But it still sounds like EMI comes from battery/motor wires a lot more than some bolts. But what do I know? Yeah, if i knew this would tighten up my radius of course i would go buy aluminum fasteners. I see no reason they wouldnt be strong enough.
 

It turns out all of the fasteners on my Octa or non-ferrous. Hmmm. So, I think my wiring is about as clean as I am going to get it and I have non-ferrous hardware. What next George? Is there a way to shield the wiring?
 

Bartman

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It turns out all of the fasteners on my Octa or non-ferrous. Hmmm. So, I think my wiring is about as clean as I am going to get it and I have non-ferrous hardware. What next George? Is there a way to shield the wiring?

do they make a two or three conductor shielded wire? i started looking the other night and never found what I was looking for in the few minutes I had.
 

Bowley

Member
Shielding the wire would be a hell of a hassle and still would not shield the power dist board, could wrap foil round the looms and heatshrink, or source shielded wire of right spec and change it. Isolation is the way to go I think
 

Bartman

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Shielding the wire would be a hell of a hassle and still would not shield the power dist board, could wrap foil round the looms and heatshrink, or source shielded wire of right spec and change it. Isolation is the way to go I think

i'm not an expert on RFI or magnetic field interference but I'd think most of what is causing the problem is coming from the individual wires being unshielded and/or not twisted. maybe buying a guass meter is worth the money?
 




JZSlenker

Yeah, I can blow that up.
Watch George's video using the gause meter. He shows you how significant the fields from wires are. Someone said that the metal hardware shouldn't matter because you calibrate the mag. This is true if you don't leave the ground. Once you are in the air, different fields effect that metal, giving it more, or sometimes less strength. This is why calibration doesn't solve the entire issue and its better to remove ferrous objects.
 




Photronix

Pilot
The Earth's magnetic field at the surface is typically between 0.25 to 0.65 gauss. Anymore than 1% of that can cause a problem or 0.0025 worst case scenario.

We will be publishing a simple test that users can perform with existing hardware to determine if craft generated magnetic fields are causing a problem.
 



Bartman

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stainless steel. was just ordering from mcmaster.com and was interested in that two SS options were there for metric hardware, 316 and 18-8


from wikipedia

Ferritic and martensitic stainless steels are magnetic. Austenitic stainless steels are non-magnetic.

[h=2]Types of stainless steel[/h]
Pipes and fittings made of stainless steel


There are different types of stainless steels: when nickel is added, for instance, the austenite structure of iron is stabilized. This crystal structure makes such steels virtually non-magnetic and less brittle at low temperatures. For greater hardness and strength, more carbon is added. With proper heat treatment, these steels are used for such products as razor blades, cutlery, and tools.
Significant quantities of manganese have been used in many stainless steel compositions. Manganese preserves an austenitic structure in the steel, similar to nickel, but at a lower cost.
Stainless steels are also classified by their crystalline structure:

  • Austenitic, or 300 series, stainless steels have an austenitic crystalline structure, which is a face-centered cubic crystal structure. Austenite steels make up over 70% of total stainless steel production. They contain a maximum of 0.15% carbon, a minimum of 16% chromium and sufficient nickel and/or manganese to retain an austenitic structure at all temperatures from the cryogenic region to the melting point of the alloy. The most widely used austenite steel is the 304 grade or A2 stainless steel (not to be confused with A2 grade steel, also named Tool steel, a steel). The second most common austenite steel is the 316 grade, also called marine grade stainless, used primarily for its increased resistance to corrosion. A typical composition of 18% chromium and 10% nickel, commonly known as 18/10 stainless, is often used in cutlery and high quality cookware. 18/0 and 18/8 are also available.
Superaustenitic stainless steels, such as alloy AL-6XN and 254SMO, exhibit great resistance to chloride pitting and crevice corrosion because of high molybdenum content (>6%) and nitrogen additions, and the higher nickel content ensures better resistance to stress-corrosion cracking versus the 300 series. The higher alloy content of superaustenitic steels makes them more expensive. Other steels can offer similar performance at lower cost and are preferred in certain applications, for example ASTM A387 is used in pressure vessels but is a low alloy carbon steel with a chromium content of 0.5% to 9%.[SUP][19][/SUP] Low-carbon versions, for example 316L or 304L, are used to avoid corrosion problems caused by welding. Grade 316LVM is preferred where biocompatibility is required (such as body implants and piercings).[SUP][20][/SUP] The "L" means that the carbon content of the alloy is below 0.03%, which reduces the sensitization effect (precipitation of chromium carbides at grain boundaries) caused by the high temperatures involved in welding.

  • Ferritic stainless steels generally have better engineering properties than austenitic grades, but have reduced corrosion resistance, because of the lower chromium and nickel content. They are also usually less expensive. They contain between 10.5% and 27% chromium and very little nickel, if any, but some types can contain lead. Most compositions include molybdenum; some, aluminium or titanium. Common ferritic grades include 18Cr-2Mo, 26Cr-1Mo, 29Cr-4Mo, and 29Cr-4Mo-2Ni. These alloys can be degraded by the presence of
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    chromium, an intermetallic phase which can precipitate upon welding.

  • Martensitic stainless steels are not as corrosion-resistant as the other two classes but are extremely strong and tough, as well as highly machinable, and can be hardened by heat treatment. Martensitic stainless steel contains chromium (12–14%), molybdenum (0.2–1%), nickel (less than 2%), and carbon (about 0.1–1%) (giving it more hardness but making the material a bit more brittle). It is quenched and magnetic.

  • Precipitation-hardening martensitic stainless steels have corrosion resistance comparable to austenitic varieties, but can be precipitation hardened to even higher strengths than the other martensitic grades. The most common, 17-4PH, uses about 17% chromium and 4% nickel.

  • Duplex stainless steels have a mixed microstructure of austenite and ferrite, the aim usually being to produce a 50/50 mix, although in commercial alloys the ratio may be 40/60. Duplex stainless steels have roughly twice the strength compared to austenitic stainless steels and also improved resistance to localized corrosion, particularly pitting, crevice corrosion and stress corrosion cracking. They are characterized by high chromium (19–32%) and molybdenum (up to 5%) and lower nickel contents than austenitic stainless steels.
The properties of duplex stainless steels are achieved with an overall lower alloy content than similar-performing super-austenitic grades, making their use cost-effective for many applications. Duplex grades are characterized into groups based on their alloy content and corrosion resistance.
  • Lean duplex refers to grades such as UNS S32101 (LDX 2101), S32304, and S32003.
  • Standard duplex is 22% chromium with UNS S31803/S32205 known as 2205 being the most widely used.
  • Super duplex is by definition a duplex stainless steel with a pitting corrosion equivalent (PRE) > 40, where PRE = %Cr + 3.3x(%Mo + 0.5x%W) + 16x%N. Usually super duplex grades have 25% chromium or more and some common examples are S32760 (Zeron 100), S32750 (2507) and S32550 (Ferralium),.
  • Hyper duplex refers to duplex grades with a PRE > 48 and at the moment only UNS S32707 and S33207 are available on the market.
 


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