Australian Laws set to change

nicwilke

Active Member
Dont hold your breath with the election coming up in September, but this is welcomed news.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-03-01/drones-set-for-large-scale-commercial-take-off/4546556

Interesting under 2kg will be online application. This will give some lower end users better chances to wreck it for all the pros. Im not sure what the average weight of a good rig is, but add batteries, motors and frames/gimbals and a good camera, its looking like it'll be over 2kg easy.
 

Efliernz

Pete
For once, you guys might get a better deal than us!

Our CAA is still loking at making "policy", not "Law". Too confusing.

Pete
 

nicwilke

Active Member
For once, you guys might get a better deal than us!

Our CAA is still loking at making "policy", not "Law". Too confusing.

Pete

Perhaps, but how does Mr. 1st time plastic 450 with no experience get priority over Mr. 3 years flying and building pro rigs and safety in mind only because ones rig is under 2kg, and the others is over 2kg? I think it'll be all sorted before this happens, but its a step in the rite direction.
 

slowjett

Member
In the U.S. we just ignore stupid laws and use common sense. Unfortunatly the police do not, more cops here than anywhere just looking to wreck someones day. I still ignore them ;)
 

nicwilke

Active Member
In the U.S. we just ignore stupid laws and use common sense.
Please dont take this to offense when I laugh at that statement, because the rest of the world looks at the US, and 'common sense' is the furthest thing in our minds, LOL. Y'all got a lot of ****ed up **** going on in that there country of yours.
 

slowjett

Member
Please dont take this to offense when I laugh at that statement, because the rest of the world looks at the US, and 'common sense' is the furthest thing in our minds, LOL. Y'all got a lot of ****ed up **** going on in that there country of yours.

Aint that the truth. Thats what happens when people give all of their responsibility to government, they don't act with any of their own. Too much entitlment and trying to fix all the problems just creates so many other problems.
 


R_Lefebvre

Arducopter Developer
Aint that the truth. Thats what happens when people give all of their responsibility to government, they don't act with any of their own. Too much entitlment and trying to fix all the problems just creates so many other problems.

That's actually not it at all. Lots of countries give much more responsibility to government than the US does.
 

15crewdawg

Member
What he means is that most people here today don't have personal responsibility. It's a cultural thing. When discipline went out the window so did personal responsibility.
The "It's not his fault. He had a bad childhood" defense. It's always someone else's fault.
 

R_Lefebvre

Arducopter Developer
That's not it either. Lots of other countries have much more of that, too. The problem in the US is... it's a big giant ball of cognitive dissonance.
 

15crewdawg

Member
"Cognitive Dissonance"? How do you figure?
There's no dissonance. The common belief is "it's not my responsibility". "I can do whatever I want." And the actions are fully inline with that belief.
 

R_Lefebvre

Arducopter Developer
There very much is cognitive dissonance. Half of the people/laws/government has a far left wing "it's not my fault" mentality, as you say. (moreso even than "left wing" Canada, we haven't even legalized pot yet!) The other half are far right wing "steal from the poor and give to the rich" and "fend for yourself" bent. Most of the social programs that you criticize exist only to make some rich guy richer but sucking up half the money out of the government funded program. It's insane.

For example... electronic voting machines, designed and built by a for-profit private company, which lobbied the government to get the job and can contribute to political campaigns. You've got to be kidding me. It's just so wrong on so many levels. The only way that ever should have been allowed is if the software was COMPLETELY open source, and the machines built by a not-for-profit entity.
 
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15crewdawg

Member
There very much is cognitive dissonance. Half of the people/laws/government has a far left wing "it's not my fault" mentality, as you say. (moreso even than "left wing" Canada, we haven't even legalized pot yet!) The other half are far right wing "steal from the poor and give to the rich" and "fend for yourself" bent.

That would be 2 groups with extreme opposing values and beliefs, acting on those values and beliefs. Not cognitive dissonance.
Cognitive dissonance is when a person’s actions are contrary to their held beliefs causing a level of discomfort to that individual. A pretty big stretch to apply that in this circumstance and on a national level.

“Steal from the poor and give to the rich”. “Fend for yourself”.
That is just plain insulting. I don’t know anyone that advocates stealing from the poor. Or to allow those in real need to fend for themselves. I do however know a large number that advocate for making your own way. Or more simply, you get out of life what you put into it. Or as the Declaration states every citizen has the right to make their own way in the “Pursuit of Happiness”. If you want a nice car and nice house, you have to work for it. What is being pushed now is more in line with Socialist beliefs. I,e. the “redistribution of wealth”. Take what others work hard for and spread it across to everyone whether they work or not. Socialism. Or maybe even Communism.
Not here.


Most of the social programs that you criticize exist only to make some rich guy richer but sucking up half the money out of the government funded program. It's insane.


Social programs exist to make some rich guy richer? Where do you get this information? Oh, right. The lame-stream media.
Who is getting rich from welfare?
It’s pretty much the other way around. The majority of tax-payers are being drained to fund these programs. Just about all of the government funded social programs are broke. With their expenditures far higher than their incomes (Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, “Welfare” (TANF/SNAP), etc.). Currently, less than half of the US citizenry pays income taxes to fund these programs. And we are about to experience the largest number of people to retire, ever. So another huge amount of tax revenue is about to be lost. This means an even higher tax burden on even fewer working people. So who is getting rich? Oh, yeah. The only people getting rich from social programs are politicians. They keep pumping more into social programs to garner favor from those receiving the benefits to ensure they vote to keep them in office. The “welfare” program is essentially designed to suck people into the system and then keep them there. And to make them totally dependent on the system. This is where the lack of personal responsibility comes in. “Why get a job when I can get paid more from the gov’t than by going to work?” For those who are truly disabled and in need, assistance is a good thing. For those who are "using" the system it's wrong.


For example... electronic voting machines, designed and built by a for-profit private company, which lobbied the government to get the job and can contribute to political campaigns. You've got to be kidding me. It's just so wrong on so many levels. The only way that ever should have been allowed is if the software was COMPLETELY open source, and the machines built by a not-for-profit entity.

Open-source? You have got to be kidding. That would open huge security holes for fraudulent activity from the likes of ACORN and others who would want to manipulate elections. Not to mention a COMPLETE lack of system integrity.
Of course they lobbied for the job. It’s called bidding for the government contract.
How did you get your job? Did you actively pursue employment? Or did you sit at home and wait for a company to come looking for you?
A non-profit entity? Right. That would mean they would be subsidized by the government or other groups. Making the “non-profit” vulnerable to “political pressure”.
 

R_Lefebvre

Arducopter Developer
Yes, I understand how the term cognitive dissonance is meant to be used, and it is a stretch to apply it in this situation. However, the US operates as a single entity, and thus I feel it applies.

This discussion is now going completely off-topic, and I don't intend to continue. But in short, who is stealing from the poor to give to the rich? Bankers. Oil Companies. Government officials. Insurance companies. Doctors And Lawyers.
 

15crewdawg

Member
Yes. It has gone way off topic. I apologize to the OP for that.

As for Bankers, Oil Companies, etc, they steal from everyone. Not just the poor.
 

cycoptic

Member
[h=2]Remotely piloted aircraft project focuses on the future[/h]The brief for a CASA project working on updating the rules and guidance material covering the operation of remotely piloted aircraft systems has been revised. The project is working on Part 101 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations, which sets the standards for the civil operations of unmanned aircraft. CASA recognises that as the rules were made in 2002 they no longer adequately reflect developments in technology and the use of remotely piloted aircraft. When Part 101 was written it relied heavily on the rules governing model aircraft and the terminology at the time referred to these aircraft as unmanned aerial vehicles. The International Civil Aviation Organization is reshaping the regulatory framework for unmanned aircraft globally and the term unmanned aerial vehicle has been replaced with the more correct terms of unmanned aircraft system, remotely piloted aircraft system and remotely piloted aircraft. Similarly, the terms used for the crew members who operate remotely piloted aircraft have been changed. The use of the term remote pilot correctly shows these aircraft are not unmanned but rather have a human pilot in the loop, albeit operating remotely. CASA is developing a notice of proposed rule making on remotely piloted aircraft systems terminology and the weight categorisation of remotely piloted aircraft. In addition there will be eight advisory circulars covering issues such as training and licensing, operations, manufacturing and maintenance.
Find more details on the remotely piloted aircraft systems project.
 

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