New Sony A7.
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DucktileMedia
Drone Enthusiast
I was gonna keep my mouth shut about that. But agreed. If you shoot 24, thats as low as you're gonna go unless you're using something like twixtor and even then you should be shooting at 30 minimum and a high shutter speed(or global shutter!) 
Interpolation software hates motion blur, macro blocking, distracted bg's like water, trees, spokes, etc. ever notice how you see those examples with some bmx'er doing a trick against a blue sky and it all looks great, like 1000fps decent quality, but then you look at the spokes and you see the interpolation nightmare.
Interpolation software hates motion blur, macro blocking, distracted bg's like water, trees, spokes, etc. ever notice how you see those examples with some bmx'er doing a trick against a blue sky and it all looks great, like 1000fps decent quality, but then you look at the spokes and you see the interpolation nightmare.
DucktileMedia
Drone Enthusiast
I dont have the gh3 so I guess it's different. As for GS, didnt know it sacrificed anything. Would be interesting to find that out before making such a purchase. Seems hard to imagine you would lose anything if they added it at all.
kloner
Aerial DP
I didn't get it till we used it... it's a weird way to o it, That little sony as10-15 did the same kind of slo mo recording..... theres still 60 fps there, it's just another way of getting it on disk.... all the richness and sharpness of 24 but slows down
These hollywood guys are a trip,,, but the reason people flying there now are there is cause there carrying reds,,,, follow trenton palmer or Copter Kids, Whats hanging there? there working 2-4 gigs a week.....
For us the end of the nex road was at real estate, but since brushless, i'd rather do a hero of a house than a nex.....
These hollywood guys are a trip,,, but the reason people flying there now are there is cause there carrying reds,,,, follow trenton palmer or Copter Kids, Whats hanging there? there working 2-4 gigs a week.....
For us the end of the nex road was at real estate, but since brushless, i'd rather do a hero of a house than a nex.....
SleepyC
www.AirHeadMedia.com
This camera talk makes me lose my mind. I get set to get something and then I hear something else and panic. I have some decent cams to get some little work done but when I start to make an effort to get my new workhorse cam I get freaked out.
I was going to go for a 5D but then it was the GH3...
But now...???
Is the GH3 worth getting or ?
ARRGGHH
Oh and then there is the Atomos Ninja recorder, with the 5D for CLEAN HDMI out or .....
I may stab my brains out.
I can;t even sleep at night.
:dejection:
I was going to go for a 5D but then it was the GH3...
But now...???
Is the GH3 worth getting or ?
ARRGGHH
Oh and then there is the Atomos Ninja recorder, with the 5D for CLEAN HDMI out or .....
I may stab my brains out.
I can;t even sleep at night.
:dejection:
kloner
Aerial DP
It's all what the people your selling to want... unfortunately i run around bidding against Copter Kids, Benjamin, and everybody else that'll carry a red.... so were screwed, were all in and doing it.....
If we were mixing with a 5d alot, the performance gained on a brushless gimbal over what a 5d does today is worth getting the gh3..... might change my tune by next spring with new bgc hardware releases. Sucks to buy in, but once it's a job, it's like getting the company a new whatever, not too big of deal.....boards are a few hundy,,, that's like gas money
If we were mixing with a 5d alot, the performance gained on a brushless gimbal over what a 5d does today is worth getting the gh3..... might change my tune by next spring with new bgc hardware releases. Sucks to buy in, but once it's a job, it's like getting the company a new whatever, not too big of deal.....boards are a few hundy,,, that's like gas money
Those things are only doing 1280 x 720p HD and the slo mo is done in camera.
Very light looking though, if its for the web it would probably look really well.
Sony do cheat a bit with their slo mo, the only camera "I could afford" from Sony and would ever use would have been the FS700 which can do 240fps which only lasts about 8 seconds recording.
The sony as-15 seems to be a glorified gopro, it wouldnt hold up to much post production.
Sorry when I'm writing a reply there seems to be a few posts in between
Personally...hold off for a couple of months if you can.
The GH3 is probably the best video camera you can buy for aerial work, it ticks all the boxes, but there are a lot of pros and cons.
Take your time choosing the gimbal you are going to use, probably more important.
Zenmuse..a smashing gimbal, but limits you totally, as it will only support the gh3 and Olympus 12mm lens F2.0 (You will also be able to find plenty of resources on how to set it up, as quite a lot of people will be using it)
Keeep an eye on the Defy and the Besteady gimbals, both will carry a 5D but there may not be that much info out there when you try to set up.
Could also be a bit heavy depending on what you are flying.
You need to think, will these gimbals allow for different configurations, like filters etc which could throw the balance off.
Its a minefield at the moment, so maybe best to let others test before jumping in.
Most important thing to consider is can you afford to loose 3-4k ($5k) worth of camera gear if things go wrong?
SleepyC
www.AirHeadMedia.com
I'm way in dude, I've been at it for 3 years, made tons of mistakes early on had it all figured out with belt driven servos and then this year got bit by the brushless bug.
I have 3 rigs that each are worth more than my damn car, so I'm already invested way beyond hobby.
Also unlike a lot of guys i've been flying RC for 25 years (10+ of Giant scale airplanes that are 40% - 50%), so if I crash one, it's because something failed.
I have 3 rigs that each are worth more than my damn car, so I'm already invested way beyond hobby.
Also unlike a lot of guys i've been flying RC for 25 years (10+ of Giant scale airplanes that are 40% - 50%), so if I crash one, it's because something failed.
DucktileMedia
Drone Enthusiast
the ONLY reason to fly a 5d is to say you're flying a 5d! It's still an h.264 camera which is big heavy and expensive. The only reason i still have my 7d is because i have acquired so many nice canon lenses which i love. And thats the only reason I never bought the gh3 as I didnt want to sell all my canon glass to get mft glass. And never too happy about 2x crop but I could live with that since the lenses are designed with that in mind. We got an fs700 and it's never flown. I havent seemed to pull in those kinds of jobs up here in the SF bay area. And i dont really try. Too stressful on so many levels. I still fly my nex5n and cx760. Why would I lift a 5-6 lb camera that costs $3-4k with glass when I can fly a $500 nex and not tell that big of a difference? Show me the money first! but with competition out there already, like Copter Kids, you better have something new to share or work for free. And when you have $20-30k in the air you dont want to work for free and your insurance isnt cheap. So better off buying a DJI phantom and seeing how hard you can fly it into someone's forehead.
ary
Member
off camera topic, its about Besteady gimbals, I saw it in my friend store. Its a good build. But one thing is missing, There are no bearing support for roll axis. Bearing support are very important if you carry a heavy camera like 5D/BMCC/above 1kg. Motor bearing cant take all that weight & will suffer after several flight. The best design for heavy camera rgimbal & affordable is cinestar gimbal with brushless conversion. it has two big bearing support inside BL motor cage.
Benjamin Rowland
Member
Since this has turned into a camera discussion, I'll throw in my 2 cents...
We mostly fly the GH2 or the GH3.
A properly hacked GH2 packs a lot of punch. Detail is good and dynamic range is decent. Since you can crank up the bit rate to nearly ProRes levels, it retains a lot of information without macro blocking and other various compression junk. It's a great little camera for aerial video. As a stills camera, there are much better options available.
The GH3 can do 24p, 30p, or 60p all at 1920x1080. There are plenty of expensive cameras that can't do 60p at 1080 - they're limited to 720. We usually shoot in 24p, but having the option to go to 60p for slow-mo is handy. You can't hack the GH3 yet, but the bit rate is fairly high right out of the box. The dynamic range seems to be slightly higher than the GH2. There is one area where the GH3 suffers - moire. Point it at a brick building from the right distance and it doesn't look so great. So when we have a shoot with a lot of brick buildings, we revert to the GH2. We've used the GH3 on features and TV shows that were shooting Alexa, and with a bit of color-correction it matches pretty well. We've even used it on some productions where the ground work was on an Epic (when the final product is 1080). The GH3 is a pretty good stills camera too.
We just got a Black Magic Pocket Cinema. Initial tests look good. More on that one when I have more to say. It may become our go-to camera for Alexa based projects.
I've flown the FS700 on two shoots. It's a long camera, which can make things tough. I'm not nuts about the image that comes out of that camera. It's a quirky camera too - not the most user friendly. But if you need SLOW motion, it's a good option.
The 5D MkIII for aerials? I've tried it. Not a fan. Just personal preference. I just don't think the video from this cam is all that great for aerials. It lacks detail and has a fair amount of compression. I haven't messed with the ML raw hack, but I know there are some limitations there and you could seriously anger the post production department when you hand over files that they don't have a workflow set up for. It's a great stills camera though. But it is heavy.
The Epic and the Scarlet? I've flown them. They're not the most fun camera to fly because they're heavy. I run a larger battery on the gimbal so that I can power the camera too. And these things can drain a camera battery quick! They're good for high resolution and the picture is gorgeous when handled properly in post. Things can move a little bit slower with this camera unless you bring a PA to help you lug it around. They're expensive, so get some good insurance!
Sony F55 - I'd love to try it. That camera makes a pretty picture and probably has a better menu structure than the Red.
Canon C100 / C300 / C500. I'm hoping to fly a C100 soon. These cameras have a lovely picture and you can strip them down so they'll fit on a gimbal well. The C300 is seriously popular for documentary style shoots - mainly because it has a great picture right out of the camera and it is the low-light king.
I've got plenty more opinions when it comes to ground based shooting, but I'll keep it focused on aerials to stay somewhat on topic.
These statements are only my opinion, I share them to be helpful, and don't mean to offend anyone. And the camera-person is more important than the camera (It's the artist, not the brush).
We mostly fly the GH2 or the GH3.
A properly hacked GH2 packs a lot of punch. Detail is good and dynamic range is decent. Since you can crank up the bit rate to nearly ProRes levels, it retains a lot of information without macro blocking and other various compression junk. It's a great little camera for aerial video. As a stills camera, there are much better options available.
The GH3 can do 24p, 30p, or 60p all at 1920x1080. There are plenty of expensive cameras that can't do 60p at 1080 - they're limited to 720. We usually shoot in 24p, but having the option to go to 60p for slow-mo is handy. You can't hack the GH3 yet, but the bit rate is fairly high right out of the box. The dynamic range seems to be slightly higher than the GH2. There is one area where the GH3 suffers - moire. Point it at a brick building from the right distance and it doesn't look so great. So when we have a shoot with a lot of brick buildings, we revert to the GH2. We've used the GH3 on features and TV shows that were shooting Alexa, and with a bit of color-correction it matches pretty well. We've even used it on some productions where the ground work was on an Epic (when the final product is 1080). The GH3 is a pretty good stills camera too.
We just got a Black Magic Pocket Cinema. Initial tests look good. More on that one when I have more to say. It may become our go-to camera for Alexa based projects.
I've flown the FS700 on two shoots. It's a long camera, which can make things tough. I'm not nuts about the image that comes out of that camera. It's a quirky camera too - not the most user friendly. But if you need SLOW motion, it's a good option.
The 5D MkIII for aerials? I've tried it. Not a fan. Just personal preference. I just don't think the video from this cam is all that great for aerials. It lacks detail and has a fair amount of compression. I haven't messed with the ML raw hack, but I know there are some limitations there and you could seriously anger the post production department when you hand over files that they don't have a workflow set up for. It's a great stills camera though. But it is heavy.
The Epic and the Scarlet? I've flown them. They're not the most fun camera to fly because they're heavy. I run a larger battery on the gimbal so that I can power the camera too. And these things can drain a camera battery quick! They're good for high resolution and the picture is gorgeous when handled properly in post. Things can move a little bit slower with this camera unless you bring a PA to help you lug it around. They're expensive, so get some good insurance!
Sony F55 - I'd love to try it. That camera makes a pretty picture and probably has a better menu structure than the Red.
Canon C100 / C300 / C500. I'm hoping to fly a C100 soon. These cameras have a lovely picture and you can strip them down so they'll fit on a gimbal well. The C300 is seriously popular for documentary style shoots - mainly because it has a great picture right out of the camera and it is the low-light king.
I've got plenty more opinions when it comes to ground based shooting, but I'll keep it focused on aerials to stay somewhat on topic.
These statements are only my opinion, I share them to be helpful, and don't mean to offend anyone. And the camera-person is more important than the camera (It's the artist, not the brush).
+1 on what Benjamin said.
He's been there done that, actually he may have convinced me to go grab a GH3 as I only have the GH2
I do have a C100 and if I could fly any camera I would love to fly that, its actually quite light stripped down, (the battery is the heaviest part) and has the same sensor as the C300 which costs 3x more.
It has a few downfalls like it only shoots at non broadcast friendly 24 Mb/s and you cant do slo mo on it, but a big factor is it has built in ND filters.
This is another important issue you have to consider, as when shooting video you are usually shooting with a shutter speed of 1/48 (1/50) and you need them for proper exposure.
You could of course also strap the Ninja up there too, but you are talking extra weight, and you would also need to use something like a paralinx wireless HDMI transmitter.
The GH3 does tick most of the right boxes..indeed.
Fascinating to hear these opinions based on honest-to-goodness working experience. Thank you.
Returning to the A7 - it strikes me as a potential candidate for the best all-rounder yet offered. Light, great lenses, top-notch stills and very handy video including 60p. Outside of playing B-cam in the Red/Alexa arena, I'd say it's a solid choice, particularly since Sony has now caught up on sensible remote control capabilities.
Returning to the A7 - it strikes me as a potential candidate for the best all-rounder yet offered. Light, great lenses, top-notch stills and very handy video including 60p. Outside of playing B-cam in the Red/Alexa arena, I'd say it's a solid choice, particularly since Sony has now caught up on sensible remote control capabilities.
Are you sure it was a Besteady, as I dont think that they are even finished yet, still being produced and all the resellers are based in Europe and USA?
The people who designed the besteady all fly multirotors for a living, and I am sure they have a good idea of what does/doesn't work well.
It was the Besteady that launched on Kickstarter..
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/besteady/besteady-one-next-generation-camera-stabiliser
photobobga
Member
Ben, once you get some flight time on the Black Magic Pocket Cinema please post your thoughts.
-Bob
-Bob
Do you think the announced rumour of the GH4 has anything to do with the NEW a7 Announcement?
Hows Zemuse going to keep up with all these new gimbals they have to make.
Def time to look away from the Zenmuse so I can carry more than 1 camera 1 lens!
http://www.eoshd.com/content/11371/detailed-panasonic-gh4-rumoured-specs
Specifications -
Hows Zemuse going to keep up with all these new gimbals they have to make.
Def time to look away from the Zenmuse so I can carry more than 1 camera 1 lens!
http://www.eoshd.com/content/11371/detailed-panasonic-gh4-rumoured-specs
Specifications -
- 4K/24/25/30fps
- 16mp sensor with full pixel readout
- 10bit 4:2:2 codec (likely AVC Ultra)
- 200Mbit MP4 ALL-I and 100Mbit IPB options
- Adapter that sits on the camera has 4x 3G-HD-SDI and 2x XLR
- Up to 30fps in 4K mode
- OLED monitor, 1 million dot
- 21mm OLED viewfinder, 3 million dot
- Form factor similar to the GH3 but slightly larger, all output jacks facing out of the left side
- Time code