Flying Skills and more
- Thread starter JLO
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I found this video on Youtube of Niagara Falls: http://youtu.be/jMHr6LQhTRE
ask the hands thats flying it........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_w5aL2LUY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_w5aL2LUY
R_Lefebvre
Arducopter Developer
I saw that a while ago. To me it demonstrates the futility of flying FPV with a spotter. He's really good, and really experienced, and he still almost crashed.
With a good flight controller, he'd simply flick into RTL and it would come right back all by itself with no drama. Heck, I basically can just turn my transmitter right off, and it will come back and land. I couldn't possibly fly my quad 200+ meters away. Even 100m is pushing it.
The whole FPV/LOS thing is outdated, IMO.
The reason he didnt crash is because he is really good and really experienced. Your quad can come back and land at the flick of a switch but does it know not to hit a person while its landing or flying back. The whole "rely on GPS" to compensate for a lack of flying skill is short sighted, IMO.
R_Lefebvre
Arducopter Developer
It is programmed to first go vertical up to 50m, then come back. And the 50m is programmable. So you just need to use experience and judgement to not fly underneath something (or just be aware if you do), and to set a return height that should clear any obstacles. 50m is pretty good unless you're in a city with large buildings.
My point was not that flying skill is meaningless. My point is that the LOS rule does not make you safe. There are probably lots of people flying FPV without the skills necessary to safely return should they have to rely on their spotter.
Apparently the LOS requirement for FPV that is within the AMA code has in it terms about "LOS, within range that you could still fly it back 3rdPV". I guarantee you, 99% of the people flying FPV are NOT following this rule, and could not return with the help of a spotter. Because if they were, they'd be flying within 100m, the same distance you'd fly at normally. And then what's the point flying FPV at that range?
If I had to between LOS/Spotter and GPS, for long distance, I'll take the GPS, thanks.
The bigger point to the whole thing is that multicopters, flight controllers, etc are attracting a LOT of new people to the sport who get into it thinking that's it's easy, and they don't really need to learn to fly. And I think that's backwards. You need to learn to fly normally FIRST, and then FPV, FC, GPS, etc. all of that ADDS to your abilities, not a replacement for learning to fly.
DucktileMedia
Drone Enthusiast
If you are looking for ways to learnt o fly. A simulator is a given...BUT.....even better is to go buy one of these Walkera ladybirds. I just got mine in today and it is absolutely tons of fun. it is very durable, fast and agile yet amazingly stable and controllable. You fly differently in a simulator than you do in real life. With zero consequences your mind doesnt process things the same way. With a $50 heli like this you learn all the controls but you do tend to care if you crash so you feel the hesitation when doing things. i can think of no better practice than to fly one of these around for a while. An amazingly cheap invaluable tool.
JLO
Member
Hi kloner well I would say that I am steadily on my way to a medium level I have been flying a Cinestar 8 with a 2 axis gimbal and a GH2 camera, I am doing FPV looking trough a RMRC-520 520 camera with the stock wide lens, I have been practicing careful and conservative flying but you know with a camera you want to go lower lower, closer closer and thats where I am hesitant. its all about your LOS flying judgment, and the fpv flight judgment, you know the key is to judge distance to objets and the ground well to be able to accomplish more dramatic shots, I also have a Flame wheel 550 that I want to use more for practice in remote safe areas, if I hit and crash the repair is not so $$ bad, so what I wanted with this thread is understand and learn some more and new skills that I can apply to my flying
thanks
DucktileMedia
Drone Enthusiast
I was told a good way to train yourself is to learnt to fly comfortable in all 4 directions in 90deg intervals. So nose out first, then 90deg to left and right, then nose in. When i get nervous I always yaw the heli quickly to nose out so all directions are logical. instead of trying to figure out what to do in a pinch this will bring you to a comfortable place in the air to start over again. it sounds like if you are already flying the Cinestar you are doing fine. Most camera shots are pretty simple. We're not doing aerobatics just get the shot and come home.
Benjamin Rowland
Member
I fly figure 8 patterns in the front yard with the Blade MQX. Then I try to push that sucker as hard as I can. I fly it in wind too, even though it doesn't fly well. I fly it without the body because I don't have a body for reference on my Cinestar.
A new trick I've been doing lately for recovery practice... I'll purposely disorient myself with the MQX, then I try to figure out orientation as quick as possible (before it hits the ground). I'm trying to simulate more situations where something has gone wrong, so that I'll be prepared.
A new trick I've been doing lately for recovery practice... I'll purposely disorient myself with the MQX, then I try to figure out orientation as quick as possible (before it hits the ground). I'm trying to simulate more situations where something has gone wrong, so that I'll be prepared.
kloner
Aerial DP
It's been so long since i'e lost or learned orientation i can't remember exact tricks,,, but i remember two distinct skills that once i had mastered, everything else just fell in place.
i got that msr and flew it around my house. could crash the piss out of it. i imagine the ladybug thing is something like it.
got into foam 3d planes.... the kind that roll, spin, flip, but more importantly one that can crash like a telink.
i bet it took 400 crashes after killing 20 plaens in 30 crashes to where any way at any time i can see orientation. It's hard to explain, but you gotta crash to push yourself ahead, otherwise it's just more of the same till your in a rutt. but i've litteraly flown 16 years now? on and off probably half that but most on it the last 6 pretty hard. it's nothing that happens over night, i remember that part
in cp helis, there is a training program called "radds" it was pretty popular with my heli friends. cp helis don't usualy have self leveling and there alot like these mr's, except on something like an msr the tail boom really helps see the front,,,,, not sure if these micro quds to that or not, but that's pretty big in gaining courage......
Good luck and keep it fun
http://www.mycoolheli.com/HeliTraining.html
i got that msr and flew it around my house. could crash the piss out of it. i imagine the ladybug thing is something like it.
got into foam 3d planes.... the kind that roll, spin, flip, but more importantly one that can crash like a telink.
i bet it took 400 crashes after killing 20 plaens in 30 crashes to where any way at any time i can see orientation. It's hard to explain, but you gotta crash to push yourself ahead, otherwise it's just more of the same till your in a rutt. but i've litteraly flown 16 years now? on and off probably half that but most on it the last 6 pretty hard. it's nothing that happens over night, i remember that part
in cp helis, there is a training program called "radds" it was pretty popular with my heli friends. cp helis don't usualy have self leveling and there alot like these mr's, except on something like an msr the tail boom really helps see the front,,,,, not sure if these micro quds to that or not, but that's pretty big in gaining courage......
Good luck and keep it fun
http://www.mycoolheli.com/HeliTraining.html
Wow, Cool thread. I think the most important tip I could give to you is even if you lose orientation try to remain calm and fight the urge to swing your sticks wildly, and just make small movements on the sticks in order to regain orientation. If you don't swing the sticks then it can't move faster in anyone directions, but if your slow on the sticks you will be able to see direction from slow acceleration.
Is anyone even close to fly like Warthox? He's skills are pretty "crisp"... https://vimeo.com/32408610
JLO
Member
Wow thats pretty insane crazy precision flying the guy can pretty much do what ever he wants with the quad what amaze me was how he keeps orientation the quad doesn't have distinct color or shapes for orientation we should find this guy and invite him for a talk or even better for a weekend seminar some ware........hey thats not a bad idea organize a seminar how about that gentleman and ladies
I agree totally to remain calm when loosing orientation the craft is up there fiying fine is the human on the ground that makes the mistakes
Benjamin Rowland
Member
Warthox is the man. You can tell that he puts a lot of time into practicing his flying skills. You don't get that good by accident.