graham_newton
Member
Test done, it does not work perfectly. email sent with details
Picloc 3x setting experience etc.
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Piranha
Member
Currently working on A LOT of good things..... !! Stay tuned
We are as tuned as possible!!!!!!
mitmit
Member
and what could be better than well tuned customers))We are as tuned as possible!!!!!!
redridinghood
Member
Any news on the sensors update?
Hello all, just to say thank you all for your support here, we finally managed to make the picloc work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbxyjO6yM3A&feature=youtu.be
cheers, meme
cheers, meme
zellevision
Freelance
Taycuphach
Member
Hi all,
Have any body here successful install picloc 3x with Cinestar gimbal and what is your setting value ?
I have installed the picloc and setting some gain, footage quality is improve however it is not as good as video posted here
Have anybody has any tip to fine tune the picloc performance
Have any body here successful install picloc 3x with Cinestar gimbal and what is your setting value ?
I have installed the picloc and setting some gain, footage quality is improve however it is not as good as video posted here
Have anybody has any tip to fine tune the picloc performance
TooSlow2Care
Member
I'm waiting with bated breath also for the 'IT'S HERE!!!' message.
cheers,
Brian
cheers,
Brian
MombasaFlash
Heli's & Tele's bloke
Ahh, the innocence of the uninitiated. Waiting for Picloc! Let us know when you have turned blue.
Ruud Westerhout
Member
Just to be part of the team, I have received the small black box.
My understanding of the content of the delivery "it's pure quality", no need for additional box, papers, cables or the likes
Anybody around here, who has it installed on a MP360 from PhotoShipOne, would love to receive some information (or experience)
Regards,
Ruud
My understanding of the content of the delivery "it's pure quality", no need for additional box, papers, cables or the likes
Anybody around here, who has it installed on a MP360 from PhotoShipOne, would love to receive some information (or experience)
Regards,
Ruud
snurre
Member
3X Pro Bug reports
Hi George,
I have updated to the latest FW (2012_04_29_P3X_v56_76_PRO_X1) and Toolz software, and I made the Factory reset.
The Picloc 3X Pro is mounted on a PS1 VR360 3X on tilt axis (under slung on Maxi Joker 2).
Although I know you have worked hard and released numerous FW version to resolve issues, I do notice problems remaining;
About orientation:
In previous mails and skype conversation I pointed out that when attempting to use the 3X on axis, arrow towards tilt, the tilt slew command generates servo movement on wrong axis, the roll axis (servo ch 2 in my setup). Though tilt stabilization response generates output to tilt servo, correctly. Thus “arrow towards tilt” orientation, on axis, is still useless (and the one most desirable in my configuration, of course).
My workaround is mounting the picloc unit arrow towards roll – but in my configuration that mounting is a bit awkward, non optimal.
Nadir bezerk
The tilt still goes haywire (crunching gears) when picloc approaches nadir, pointing straight down (a truly necessary position!)
My workaround is mounting the picloc with a 20 degree upward offset on the camera tray. It works, but I think you agree it´s a dirty fix.
Magnetometer causes drift
I have tried the magnetometer feature. Calibrated as instructed.
But in action, it causes drift instead of cancelling drift.
It might be due to the proximity to the tilt servo who´s magnetic field is probably strong enough to disturb the picloc.
I repeat my idea to offer an external magnetometer option unit that can be attached on the most suitable spot (away from hardware mag fields) on the camera pan gimbal. Might connect to one of the two extra ports?
Home position function
I have programmed roll and tilt home positions. On the roll with a couple degrees offset, on the tilt with about 20 degrees offset (compensating for the offset mounting, see above). Upon picloc startup it positions to those memorized positions. But when commanding home positions AUX1 GOTO HOME, picloc always repositions to zero degrees, not to the memorized position! This must be wrong.
Brutal step outputs
Upon system start, and when recovering from e-stop, the picloc commands brutal step movement, especially noticeable on the tilt. This is of course not good for mechanics in general, and servos in particular. A softer response would be desirable, much like when activating the memorized home position.
About accelerometer authority
I suggest providing separate selections for roll and tilt axis. I would like to experiment with different amounts, e.g. more accelerometer authority on the tilt, but not so much on the roll.
Best / Tomas
Hi George,
I have updated to the latest FW (2012_04_29_P3X_v56_76_PRO_X1) and Toolz software, and I made the Factory reset.
The Picloc 3X Pro is mounted on a PS1 VR360 3X on tilt axis (under slung on Maxi Joker 2).
Although I know you have worked hard and released numerous FW version to resolve issues, I do notice problems remaining;
About orientation:
In previous mails and skype conversation I pointed out that when attempting to use the 3X on axis, arrow towards tilt, the tilt slew command generates servo movement on wrong axis, the roll axis (servo ch 2 in my setup). Though tilt stabilization response generates output to tilt servo, correctly. Thus “arrow towards tilt” orientation, on axis, is still useless (and the one most desirable in my configuration, of course
). My workaround is mounting the picloc unit arrow towards roll – but in my configuration that mounting is a bit awkward, non optimal.
Nadir bezerk
The tilt still goes haywire (crunching gears) when picloc approaches nadir, pointing straight down (a truly necessary position!)
My workaround is mounting the picloc with a 20 degree upward offset on the camera tray. It works, but I think you agree it´s a dirty fix.
Magnetometer causes drift
I have tried the magnetometer feature. Calibrated as instructed.
But in action, it causes drift instead of cancelling drift.
It might be due to the proximity to the tilt servo who´s magnetic field is probably strong enough to disturb the picloc.
I repeat my idea to offer an external magnetometer option unit that can be attached on the most suitable spot (away from hardware mag fields) on the camera pan gimbal. Might connect to one of the two extra ports?
Home position function
I have programmed roll and tilt home positions. On the roll with a couple degrees offset, on the tilt with about 20 degrees offset (compensating for the offset mounting, see above). Upon picloc startup it positions to those memorized positions. But when commanding home positions AUX1 GOTO HOME, picloc always repositions to zero degrees, not to the memorized position! This must be wrong.
Brutal step outputs
Upon system start, and when recovering from e-stop, the picloc commands brutal step movement, especially noticeable on the tilt. This is of course not good for mechanics in general, and servos in particular. A softer response would be desirable, much like when activating the memorized home position.
About accelerometer authority
I suggest providing separate selections for roll and tilt axis. I would like to experiment with different amounts, e.g. more accelerometer authority on the tilt, but not so much on the roll.
Best / Tomas
Is it ready for professionel production now?
Hi!
I am using a second Mikrokopter FC 2.1 for stabilisation in a 360 cinestar gimbal.
I have my picloc for some time now,
but i didn't use it because i read about a lot of bugs in this forum.
My question is if this has been fixed
and if the picloc pro is ready for commercial production work now?
kind regards,
tammo
Hi!
I am using a second Mikrokopter FC 2.1 for stabilisation in a 360 cinestar gimbal.
I have my picloc for some time now,
but i didn't use it because i read about a lot of bugs in this forum.
My question is if this has been fixed
and if the picloc pro is ready for commercial production work now?
kind regards,
tammo
Lanzar
Member
Picloc has always been ready it is just that with each firmware u get some old buges fixes and new ones come up. And affcourse we users while trying to get it working got to know all about the gyro, servo, ... stuff along the way so we started to get smart and then @george had to do all those changes.
Basicaly we never use the pan option and we make the pan as u have it on MK stabilitzation (Direct to reciver). While nick and roll are always good. Well it depends on servo but now we managed to get it to work with normal av200 and Cs gimbal with default servo and potis also. But u need time to set it up and certain steps need to be done before u make it work. Othervise it works good but MK with new 88 software is also good. MK is just a pain in the a.. to start it since the calibration and u can kill the servo if u are not carefull and make some switch for powering it ... Whole new problem.
Hi All,
It seems this thread has slowed down. Have all issues been sorted out...?
Anyway, I have a question for those who have been successful w/ PL, regarding servo choice and gearing ratio.
Tried 4/1 so far but planning to go 5/1 to increase resolution and torque.
Regarding servo, tried Hitec 5985, found them too slow and not enough resolution. Changed to MPX Titan digi5 high speed, much better resolution, but although they are very fast, they have a weird feature: as they approach their commanded position, they slow down. this makes stabilisation a bit sluggish.
So what are you using???
Thanks,
Eric
It seems this thread has slowed down. Have all issues been sorted out...?
Anyway, I have a question for those who have been successful w/ PL, regarding servo choice and gearing ratio.
Tried 4/1 so far but planning to go 5/1 to increase resolution and torque.
Regarding servo, tried Hitec 5985, found them too slow and not enough resolution. Changed to MPX Titan digi5 high speed, much better resolution, but although they are very fast, they have a weird feature: as they approach their commanded position, they slow down. this makes stabilisation a bit sluggish.
So what are you using???
Thanks,
Eric
Lanzar
Member
Eric they slow down cause u use slew mode on picloc. Read on it or turn it off and u will have normal servo control with instant stop.
With off-axis mounting, such as the Tilt and Roll on an AV200, the only travel limits as far as PL is concerned are those imposed by the external pots i.e. maybe 110°. As Picloc remains stationary it suffers no ill effects.
However, when it is ON-axis, as you wish to do, i.e. on the camera plate, the PL is limited to around 55° of tilt before the Roll axis starts becoming a second Pan axis. At this point PL gets confused, doesn't know what to do and ... "goes crazy".
I have addressed this on the big gasser heli by mounting the PL on a swivelling bracket that allows it to be set at up to -35°. As we do not need very much upward tilt (blades, booms, motors etc. are NOT photogenic) the PL will not be subjected to very much more negative tilt than that. Perhaps another 10° at most. So at -45° of total tilt the PL is still comfortable and keeps its hair on.
The big advantage is that the forward tilt now has a bonus of up to 35° of extra camera angle. So if your camera is angled at 90° down (vertical) PL is still only at 55°. However, as I do not personally like the Google Earth vertical view much I have left the PL set at -20° with forward tilt at 55°, giving around 75° of camera forward tilt. It is early days yet because I have only just started flight testing the 3X so these angles are subject to change.
However, as always there is a payoff. If the PL is not mounted level, Roll commands will result in some sympathetic panning. This is not altogether as ugly as it sounds as in practice the subject is actually kept more centre frame during the Roll.
I have a question to your solution:
when you going to set up your tilt-gain-level: how much do you need to go? i tried it and needed to set it up to around 1000 P. Almost no Acc.
without a camera, it works fine. but with a camera mounted, the tilt starts shaking up and down.
when i reduce the p-value, it stops shaking, but the angel isn't anymore correct. wit a value around 300 i have no more shaking, but also no more stabilization. the tilt-stabilization is working to little.
how did you solved it?
thank you.