MR aerial cube challenge - Autoquad = this is how MR GPS should be!

Mactadpole

Member
I was just checking out the MR cube contest over on diydrones.com.

"TO ALL AQ PILOTS.
DIY Drones has a challenge to pilots to have there aircraft fly a 50 meter cube that is 20 meters above the ground." - from the autoquad forum

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This was generated from the GPS log file.

WOW! There are several Autoquad flyers getting this sort of accuracy. I am getting ever closer to convincing myself I need to face yet another steep learning curve and try one of these out.

Shawn
 

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SamaraMedia

Active Member
Just got my first HoverFly. I think I'll try to learn this control before moving onto the AQ. Bart, good to see your website up are running.

John
 

Bartman

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Thanks John. I'm peddling as fast as I can! wait a second, was that a pun? i meant to say i'm working very hard to produce stock for the shop while also doing all the admin stuff to get it up and running. it's amazing how much work is involved.

thread drift over, back to the topic....... wow!
 

SamaraMedia

Active Member
The AQ is produced by Jussi and friends at Viacopter and Flyduino no? Understandably that could explain why it works so well.
 

R_Lefebvre

Arducopter Developer
Yeah, I was an early participant in that contest, and thought I had it nailed with this entry:

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That was with Arducopter. A 24 minute flight which I thought was pretty good. But I'll admit the AQ guys came in and totally schooled us. At first I thought their entry was faked.:dejection: Not just the datalog, but over 40 minutes of flying time?! Wow, that's amazing.

Still, you have to admit that my flight is still quite respectable. I would like to see if any other systems are capable of this. I have heard that Open Pilot's new system can, but haven't seen an entry yet. What about closed-source systems? DJI could maybe do it if you paid for waypoints (how stupid is that) but how would you get a datalog? I'd also like to see a test of the professional systems like DraganFlyer or AV Scout.

I'll also point out that we are working hard on inertial navigation. We have Alt_Hold nailed, just working on X and Y now. This is a trace from our lead developer, just yesterday:

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Win or lose, the competition was fun to do. I like knowing that I can actually do a flight profile like that. It was also good to see an entry from a guy who bought his first quad in January, with zero prior RC experience, and managed to make an entry. Again, says we're doing something right.

Finally, I'll point out, that Arducopter will do this with a helicopter too. Are we the only one? I hope to be able to fly the mission next weekend. I just got my new 600 heli flying yesterday.
 

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Bartman

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can someone please explain something to me about ArduCopter?

nothing new, I'm opening a shop. how does a person who is selling these systems explain to customers the effort involved in tuning? who controls the firmware updates and who decides if firmware is ok or not? is there a separate firmware reserved for people that want consistency and predictable results when firmware upgrades are announced? who keeps the firmware development process from becoming a free-for-all?

thanks,
bart
 

R_Lefebvre

Arducopter Developer
The effort involved in tuning is not bad at all. Many people are flying with default settings. There are really only a few settings that you need to touch in any case. Your Rate PID settings, which is true of any system. And the Throttle PID settings for Altitude Hold. The AH is currently the most problematic system. But it's not really the controller, IMO, the problem seems to be mostly people not building the copter right. Vibrations cause problems with the AH system. Honestly though, I have never had a problem. The 24 minute mission I ran was after having crashed that quad a few times (long story, but mechanical). There were a few bent things, some wobbly prop adaptors, and nicked and chipped, never-been-balanced props. I had run out of time and props, and so I just kept going, and had no problem at all. Another developer built a "Worst-Case-Quad", and he can't reproduce it either.

Anyway, assuming you build a good quad, I think it's quite easy to get these flying now. The reputation we earned for being difficult to tune to fly right (somewhat deserved) was largely due to the fact the controllers were poorly designed. It's not the case anymore.

For example, my new heli, I had it doing a perfect RTH within 4 battery packs. That's not bad. Now, obviously I'm quite experienced but... I don't think people should expect to buy something and be flying in 9 minutes. DJI advertises that, but then YouTube is littered with Phantom flyaway videos isn't it.

Ok, firmware updates are controlled by a core team. Randy MacKay is the lead. He works on it *full time*. When he thinks it's ready, it goes out to beta testers, and we beta test it. Then when we think it's ready, it goes out. We've had some bad issues in the past, but we haven't had a Crash-o-matic bug in a long time. Almost 12 months. Most issues are either due to users not using functions correctly, or functions not being able to save users from themselves. Again, same is true of any system. We try REALLY hard to not have any bugs after Beta testing, but most of them now are things that we just don't forsee. People doing things that we didn't think they would. That sort of thing.

Still, if you are concerned, the simple thing to do is wait. When a new release comes out, just sit back and relax, watch the forums. I'm a developer, and a beta tester, and a user. I have different machines for different purposes. I have a 450 heli I use for developing. But I won't put a new release on my 600 heli, or my Octo, until it's been out a few weeks. That may sound cynical but... I've spent enough of my own time and money on this, and I had to rationalize things a bit.

I do wish we had like a Gamma Test group. 100 guys with cheap quads who'll take it for a test drive before it goes "Stable". We have talked about doing a "Limited Release", but it hasn't gotten to that point yet.

So, Randy has been doing this full-time for about 12 months now. It hasn't been a free-for-all for about 12 months. And we've had no major bugs for 12 months. Coincidence? I think not.
 
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Bartman

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thanks for the explanation R_

i've ordered one this morning to try and we've got a product review in the edit phase that will be posted very soon with the one we got from 3Drobotics.com.

Bart
 

Mactadpole

Member
Bart, did you order an Autoquad FC or Arducopter? I think I interpret that as an Arducopter. Bummer if so. It might be worth thinking about offering rtf's with pre-calibrated Autoquad.
 

Bartman

Welcome to MultiRotorForums.com!!
Bart, did you order an Autoquad FC or Arducopter? I think I interpret that as an Arducopter. Bummer if so. It might be worth thinking about offering rtf's with pre-calibrated Autoquad.

Shawn,
I picked up an ArduCopter system and will put it on an XY8 to see how it does. It's difficult to commit to the time needed to service customers using these systems that are more challenging to set up and tune. Not everyone wants to dig into the nitty gritty of FC set-up and if things stop working just right it could be a nightmare to make right over the phone. I'll take a look at the system, see how it works on my frames and go from there. I'm not really looking to migrate from Hoverfly, just trying to expand my horizons as a forums participant.

Bart
 

Mactadpole

Member
The only two Autoquad entries in the contest took 1st and 2nd in the contest and definitely blew all others away.

Bart,

I hear ya! Time is evil. I will keep a watch out for your try of the system when you get a chance.

thanks,

shawn
 

R_Lefebvre

Arducopter Developer
Shawn,
I picked up an ArduCopter system and will put it on an XY8 to see how it does. It's difficult to commit to the time needed to service customers using these systems that are more challenging to set up and tune. Not everyone wants to dig into the nitty gritty of FC set-up and if things stop working just right it could be a nightmare to make right over the phone. I'll take a look at the system, see how it works on my frames and go from there. I'm not really looking to migrate from Hoverfly, just trying to expand my horizons as a forums participant.

Bart

Hey Bart, I'm curious to see how you get on. You might want to ask any questions over at DIYDrones though, for better response.
 






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