Mikrokopter MK or DJI....

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Skycopter.nl

Member
When reading all the posts over time I think most of the copter users have better experience with the DJI instead of the Mikrokopter.
My conclusion is that DJI works much harder to achieve the best copter setup than Mikrokopter does.

How do you guy's think about Mikrokopter vs DJI?

BR,
Robert
 

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3dheliguy

Member
You might want to post this in the DJI thread... as the Mikrokopter guys dont think want to answer this question. :)
 



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3dheliguy

Member
The DJI is just easier to setup that's why more people know them, and it's les expensive, I don't know you might want to try HoverFly... Been herring slot of good things from them. Just hope they can dominate for as long as DJI has lately.
 


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RTRyder

Merlin of Multirotors
I own all three of the mentioned flight controllers. If you want easy to setup and features that work as advertised 100% of the time go with DJI. If you want the most features that also work 100% of the time at the expense of complexity and a labor intensive build/setup/tuning process them go with MK. I'd also state if you're going to be using it commercially in situations where you have to fly regardless of the conditions, MK is the better choice. As for the Hoverfly, no comment...

Ken
 

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Malcr001

Member
What RTRRyder said. MK have plenty of neat features but the effort to tune and setup the MK would be a huge turn off for many. I honestly think if I was in the situation of choosing MK or DJI electronics I would pick DJI just because it seems a lot more hassle free to setup (I own just MK electronics). MK's used to rule the roost but DJI is more popular than MK in my opinion nowadays.
 

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3dheliguy

Member
So the DJI is that bad in manual mode in the wind sounds like. Man to much to think about sometimes. I love DJI, but Hmm... How would you say the Cinestar 8 with 360 Gimbal, and two 5600 4s packs in manual mode with the Dji do in the air with about 15 MPH winds.
 

ZAxis

ZAxis

Member
One thing MK has going for it is the amount of telemetry it can handle. If you use a Graupner Tx/Rx you get all the major items, battery voltage, capacity used, satellite count, altitude, distance, Rx signal quality , temperature and more, right there on the Tx LCD screen. Voice readout if you want. Some of the telemetry is recorded to an onboard SD card, including GPS coordinates so you know where your lost craft landed. Use a Bluetooth or Xbee link and your laptop becomes a ground station for everything but a video link.
A significant amount of data is recorded on an SD card onboard.Everything the craft does in fine detail, stick positions, temperatures, currents, flight plotting data ready to import into Google Earth and lots more. If you want to analyse what your craft has just done, good or bad, this cannot be matched by the others.
Against it is that it is basically a couple of guys in a shed developing, selling and supporting everything.

andy
 

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3dheliguy

Member
Z axis.. Yeah, I like that fact, but I just cant make up my mind... I like those features, but I dont want to be stuck in the dust, if I cant figure somthing out. So Telementery is great Just might be to much to much take on when Im just trying to see what is going to work, and doesnt constantly need to be tuned. Dont get me wrong I can do it im sure, but I just thinking that it might just be to much for trying to adapt on the fly on shoots.
 

sim_io

sim_io

Member
I only own Wookong so I can't speak for MK but I don't get why people suggest MK if you're going to fly commercially in any condition. My CS8 can handle 15mph winds, gusts and everything trusting it over water handsfree, how would the MK behave better?
 

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RTRyder

Merlin of Multirotors
sim_io said:
I only own Wookong so I can't speak for MK but I don't get why people suggest MK if you're going to fly commercially in any condition. My CS8 can handle 15mph winds, gusts and everything trusting it over water handsfree, how would the MK behave better?
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Fly a well tuned MK with a high quality gimbal recording 1080P video in windy conditions of 15 to 20mph and then put the same camera on the CS8 with a WKM and record more 1080P in the same conditions and compare the results, you'll see why the MK is recommended. I have both MK and DJI flight control systems and have flown both on the same Cinestar6 frame with Photohigher AV130 gimbal. If my pay depended on consistant quality of the results I would use the MK exclusively so I wouldn't need to worry about the weather as much as I would with just a Wookong-M.

Fortunately my pay doesn't depend on doing APV work, I probably couldn't even come close to making the salary I currently do on just APV so as a hobbyist either system works for me. I can wait for a good day and use the WKM simply because it's easier to pilot and concentrate on the video when the conditions are right, the MK is more work to fly well but in my experience will always return better results if setup properly.

Ken
 

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3dheliguy

Member
Wow now thats interesting... Damn you guys are scaring me with this talk of how much work it is to get thes MK boards running right. Man I fly real 3d helicopters it can't be like setting up a Mikado V Bar... And tuning it.
 

DucktileMedia

DucktileMedia

Drone Enthusiast
I would say the fact you are asking means you havent flown a lot of multis and your answer should NOT be MK. it might be a better option as a second multi or backup once you get a feel for the thing and have something to keep you flying while you pull your hair out trying to figure out why all your MK's BL's are smoking on you. DJI is easy to setup. It does not do well in manual mode in my experience, there are some who have it setup to fly in manual but thats not why we buy all these fancy electronics. DJI does quite well up to 15mph, especially on a coaxial heli (Y6 or X8). The Hoverfly pro does better than the DJI by light years. but you are not asking about that so i would definitely say DJI. Want to buy mine, I got it all hooked up and ready to rock and roll on a Y6. With AV130 and batteries. With DJI, you just have to be weary of the firmwares that come out as of recently. i would run 5.08 and forget all this POI stuff. It is best to not have all the bells and whistles at first. You want it to fly and be able to focus on the basics first. Then as you learn the layout, switches and software you can toy with POI, RTH, Waypoints, intelligent orientation, etc.
 

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DennyR

Active Member
It depends what you want to do. If it is AP there is only one choice for someone with your experience. Buy a DJI S800 with a Zenmuse and you will be far ahead of most of the people out there with this other stuff. Then you just need to put your effort into learning how to use it rather than trying to get it to work to an acceptable level.

If you want to gain experience playing about then there is a load of stuff that works reasonably well in the right hands with a lot of work.

Ask yourself one simple question. Do I want to play around building stuff or do I want to get straight into this and start getting some results. MR is different things to different people depending on where your interest is.

The day that I see a Hoverfly gimbal controller working like a DJI in front of a mirror I would consider one, but the current show video reveals it to be little better than 20 others out there. It is too slow to get out of it's own way. You can make a stable video without any gimbal using Post stabilization but that is of no use in the pro world. As far as DJI firmware releases go, the latest is working just great on two of my own machines. In high winds I believe that it is just as stable as anything else that I have tried or seen in a MR copter. PID algorithms are far too highly developed to favor one companys FC from the next. The final result is a function of the prop.used and how well the settings are dialed in
 
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ChrisViperM

ChrisViperM

Active Member
Skykopter, did you read this:

http://www.multirotorforums.com/sho...-getting-started-with-multi-rotor-helicopters
http://www.multirotorforums.com/showthread.php?1617-Before-you-buy-please-read-this

Since you are from the Netherlands, contact Sandor from Digitech.....http://shop.jet-1a.com/index.php?cPath=508&osCsid=13eb6afe4810551a1400b0daf8fb729f

They are also running a Flight School, and in a very short time you could get an overview of what systems are avalible, try it out for yourself, and make your choice based on that experience. There is more and more guys flocking in, asking for a shortcut to sucess or trying to get their "shoppin list" done by people on this forum.....and it will not work that way. Whatever systems are used here by the more experienced guys, its used for a very specific reason for that person, might do a perfect job for him, and might be totally useless for somebody else.
You have to reach a level where you can say: I have chosen product XY because of......and to find this "because of" means blood, sweat and tears....and sufficent funds

Chris
 

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3dheliguy

Member
Ha ha.. I'm not new to this I have flown DJI naza Wookong M on the S800, and I can fly very easily they are way easier to fly them anything I have flown. Infect Multis are mostly beginner models in my opinion, but I'm not hear to learn how to fly, I'm here to make money flying and putting the skills that I have mastered in a new industry that is a emerging.

That's why I'm asking I know what works, I have done my homework... Now I just need something that make me money. I don't fly in attitude mode personally takes away from the the flight. Characteristics that I want us to creat different style of video more fast paced and edgy. I can edit, I know a good photographer, but I just need something that can take me to the level I want to be at.

I have flown Wookong M, I just haven't flown the other two propery setup. Ghats what I need to do then before I buy.
 


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3dheliguy

Member
Thanks Denny... That sounds like experience, and expertise. There are just to few multi guys out there that I have seen, and I just need to fly MK so I don't think I'm missing something about it that is better in most conditions. I like DJI, but I don't want to be narrow minded to it.

I have built big *** 700 helicopters tuned them and all, and I fly them for manufacturers, so I'm used to testing, and testing, but I have known to test easier things and harder things leaving me with a favorite, and that favorite wasn't always the easiest flybArles system it was the one with most comprehensive setup and tuning a million little things that you had to do... So what I'm saying is whatever flys better is what I need to think about more... I go off feel of flight, and tunable features that make it even better.
 

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