5.8GHz as a control frequency in the UK.

Benjamin Kenobi

Easy? You call that easy?
Just thought I'd share this info for UK fliers hoping to use the Phantom Vision for commercial use. The gist of it is you can't use 5.8GHz for operating in congested areas and you can only go 150m from the pilot:

SUA - use of 5.8 GHz as a Control Frequency


In light of the recent issues regarding the use of the frequency band 5.8Ghz for unmanned airborne operations, and our continued pressure on the CAA to issue clear guidelines we are happy to announce that the CAA have issued this statement.


1. The CAA does not approve the use of frequencies for airborne use, this is done by Ofcom.
2. 5.8 GHz falls into the same category as 2.4GHz in that it is legal for airborne use (and like 2.4GHz, it is not a protected frequency).

3. The max permitted radiated power within the UK is still 25mW e.i.r.p but, due to the higher frequency involved at 5.8GHz, the effective distance that the SUA can be flown from the transmitter is less than the distance which is possible with 2.4GHz. This distance could, in some circumstances, be less than the ‘normally accepted’ 500m plus it is also more notably affected by ‘Radio Line of Sight’ issues.

As a result, please use the following as CAA guidance with regard to the use of 5.8 GHz as a control frequency for SUA which are being operated in accordance with a Permission from the CAA:


- 5.8 GHz may be used as a control frequency for SUA flights that require a CAA permission.
- However, because the performance characteristics of 5.8GHz are less well known than those for 2.4 GHz, we will not permit its use over or within 150 metres of a congested area, nor will we provide any alleviations from any of the other restrictions that are detailed within article 167. Note, this differs from other 7kg or less ‘standard permissions’ (which normally ‘automatically’ allow ops within congested areas).

- When dealing with any applications involving 5.8GHz, NQEs should point out the potential limitations of its use (where necessary from your observations) and hence the additional potential limitations on the aircraft’s suitability for the task:
- Max permitted power in the UK is 25mW – for aircraft/systems that have an ability to ‘switch’ to more powerful settings, it must be made clear that use of a more powerful setting is not permitted in the UK
- Reduced operating distance – the Ops Manual must include a clear statement about the maximum distance that the SUA can be flown from the transmitter in order to ensure that the ability to control the aircraft is not lost and flight tests must be conducted against these criteria.
- Operators should be reminded that the frequency is not protected
- The person in charge of the SUA is still wholly responsible for ensuring that the flight can be conducted safely.


The intent of this guidance is not to impose a blanket ban on the use of 5.8GHz (as the CAA are sure that there must be many applications away from congested areas where this frequency could be used entirely safely), but to ensure that where the frequency is used, any operators are doing so in a reasonably informed capacity.


We hope that this answers questions surrounding the use of 5.8Ghz as a control frequency for SUA in the UK. Users however may be confused by the statement that ‘in some circumstances, the effective distance might be less than the ‘normally accepted’ 500m plus it is also more notably affected by ‘Radio Line of Sight’ issues.’ In an attempt to determine what the effective distance is the CAA have commissioned Resource Group UAS to determine a trial, the conclusions of which will be available in due course.
 


Jumpy07

Member
Was wondering about this.. didnt think 5.8ghz was legal airbourne.. but guess as TX is on ground and RX in air.. it apparently it is..

Interesting note on the Phantom 2 on DJI's site..



  • Transmitter Power:CE: 25mw; FCC: 125mw
  • Communication Distance(open area): CE: 300m; FCC: 500m

So European Phantom 2's meet the UK radiated power legislation, but therefore have much less control range... be warned.. 300m would be on a good day methinks..
 
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Droider

Drone Enthusiast
I did ask about this when they were first released but the importer just shrugged his shoulders.

Another quality boob by DJI. Maybe one day they will get the message that they just cant roll kit out without proper research AND testing

D
 

Benjamin Kenobi

Easy? You call that easy?
More info on 5.8GHz as a control frequency.......it's temporarily banned apparently in the UK!

5.8Ghz as a SUAS control frequency – Temporary suspension of PFAW issues by UK CAA


There has been recent discussion in the industry about the validity of 5.8Ghz as a SUAS control frequency – a very few select RPAS use this, most notably the DJI Phantom 2 Vision (P2V), Phantom 2 Vision Plus (P2V+) and DJI Phantom FC40. This week the CAA led SUAS Safety Partnership, a UK stakeholder group to which we are a contributor, met to discuss a number of issues including the use of 5.8Ghz as a SUAS control frequency.
Some uncertainty exists within industry about the integrity of 5.8Ghz, especially at further ranges and it was the decision of the CAA SUASSP to temporarily suspend the issue of PFAW’s to those applicants with RPAS which use 5.8Ghz. We would emphasises that this is a temporary measure until such time as more information is known about the integrity of the frequency. To obtain this data the CAA have commissioned Resource Group UAS to conduct an operational trial of the frequency using a P2V. We have already started the trial process and will submit the findings to the CAA as soon as possible. On receipt of this data and other information from industry the CAA will make a determination about the next moves but, without prejudicing the findings, it anticipated that the frequency will be cleared for use albeit with some limitations towards the further lateral limitations of Visual Line Of Sight (VLOS) – 500m.


To assist this information gathering we would ask anyone with a RPAS that operates using 5.8Ghz as a control frequency and who has encountered control issues to detail these in an email to Resource Group UAS at documents@resourcegroup.co.uk. This information will be treated anonymously throughout.


Clearly this may be alarming for those students who operate a P2V/P2V+/FC40 but it is the view of Resource Group UAS that this is simply a temporary measure whilst data is collected to establish the validity and integrity of 5.8Ghz as a SUAS control frequency. Therefore, for those RPQ-s students currently undergoing training / assessment, there is no reason why you should not continue this process in anticipation of the CAA reinstating the issue of PFAW’s for SUAS with 5.8Ghz.


For more information on this issue please ring the CAA on 01293 573517.


Craig Lippett
Head of Unmanned Aviation Services
 

cbuk

Member
Is it a temporary ban though or just a suspension of new PFAW to P2V operators? And how many licensed P2V operators are there? From my experience there are a lot of unlicensed operators flying P2V on the cheap and they are going to take absolutely no notice of this whatsoever. There's an unlicensed guy in my area offering professional services and flying his P2V 1000ft high in congested areas and close to a military air base. A recipe for disaster I think, especially if the P2V is prone to signal loss.

More info on 5.8GHz as a control frequency.......it's temporarily banned apparently in the UK!

5.8Ghz as a SUAS control frequency – Temporary suspension of PFAW issues by UK CAA


There has been recent discussion in the industry about the validity of 5.8Ghz as a SUAS control frequency – a very few select RPAS use this, most notably the DJI Phantom 2 Vision (P2V), Phantom 2 Vision Plus (P2V+) and DJI Phantom FC40. This week the CAA led SUAS Safety Partnership, a UK stakeholder group to which we are a contributor, met to discuss a number of issues including the use of 5.8Ghz as a SUAS control frequency.
Some uncertainty exists within industry about the integrity of 5.8Ghz, especially at further ranges and it was the decision of the CAA SUASSP to temporarily suspend the issue of PFAW’s to those applicants with RPAS which use 5.8Ghz. We would emphasises that this is a temporary measure until such time as more information is known about the integrity of the frequency. To obtain this data the CAA have commissioned Resource Group UAS to conduct an operational trial of the frequency using a P2V. We have already started the trial process and will submit the findings to the CAA as soon as possible. On receipt of this data and other information from industry the CAA will make a determination about the next moves but, without prejudicing the findings, it anticipated that the frequency will be cleared for use albeit with some limitations towards the further lateral limitations of Visual Line Of Sight (VLOS) – 500m.


To assist this information gathering we would ask anyone with a RPAS that operates using 5.8Ghz as a control frequency and who has encountered control issues to detail these in an email to Resource Group UAS at documents@resourcegroup.co.uk. This information will be treated anonymously throughout.


Clearly this may be alarming for those students who operate a P2V/P2V+/FC40 but it is the view of Resource Group UAS that this is simply a temporary measure whilst data is collected to establish the validity and integrity of 5.8Ghz as a SUAS control frequency. Therefore, for those RPQ-s students currently undergoing training / assessment, there is no reason why you should not continue this process in anticipation of the CAA reinstating the issue of PFAW’s for SUAS with 5.8Ghz.


For more information on this issue please ring the CAA on 01293 573517.


Craig Lippett
Head of Unmanned Aviation Services
 

Benjamin Kenobi

Easy? You call that easy?
It seems to be only people with a PFAW. There's not many yet. It's only temporary according to the post.

There's not much we can do about the unlicensed guys. If you have evidence (conclusive) that they have made a financial gain from aerial work then send it to the CAA. Not sure how you go about this but I know a guy who is very clued up at ARPAS-UK who would probably know how to do this. I often hear about people operating without a license but I think it is hard (and costly) for the CAA to pursue these people without evidence.

Anyway, avoid 5.8GHz for now.
 

Franka

New Member
Re 5.8Ghz increase from 25mw to100mw in the UK. quote from OFCOM

Frank

You would need to show that the increase was unlikely to cause harmful interference to the other users of this spectrum. To do this you would need to know both the susceptibility of those other radiocommunications systems and their operational characteristics.

In this instance the primary user of this spectrum is the military. It is unlikely that they would wish to release such information.

Best regards

Robin
 

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