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I don't see it in the manual, but other people say that it Will be solved in the next firmware, so Lets hope for that.. Otherwise Without the pan function, the picloc Would be better ...
Photohigher RSGS Skyline Owners thread
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I don't see it in the manual, but other people say that it Will be solved in the next firmware, so Lets hope for that.. Otherwise Without the pan function, the picloc Would be better ...
This test was done with a GoPro; and I would say that a GoPro is just at the lower end of the benchmark given its very wide angle and light weight. I would like to see a test with a heavier camera and and a less wider lens with in-camera stabilization switched off. So I do agree with 1001 Copters: we need a protocol for these kind of tests.
The first problem is the POS Hexa or Octo that is vibrating, due to whatever reason. The next problem is the way the machine is being flown. Those two things alone make it nearly impossible to draw any conclusions regarding mount stability or servo twitching. The GoPro is the third problem. With the amount of barrel distortion that those things have the image bends all over the place making it once again nearly impossible to tell what is going on with the mount. They need to aquire a nice Hexa or Octo, learn how to tune it and use it for testing and posting videos so that the end consumer can tell what the camera mount and Skyline is or is not doing relative to the Octo.
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Wayne Mann
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Wayne Mann
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This is just my two cents but here they are: SAVE YOUR MONEY. I have a brand new Photohigher AV200 and the new Skyline Stabilization board. They are overpriced and have a very long way to go before they can be considered a profesional or even reliable product on any level. Their socalled quality control, from what I have personally experienced, is a joke with little or no effort to make things right when they have so clearly gone wrong. I get better stabilization directly out of the F1 and F2 ports of my WKMs (and even the Nazas) than I get from the Skyline and that is a fact. This Skyline is a buggy mess of a product. It was released long before any apparent effort was made to make it right and at the expense of the end user. Shame on these people for collecting their R&D funds in a manner that hurts their own customers as we sit around waiting for them to get it right AFTER having spent out money. Never again. Even this latest video is laughable. Look at it. Are we really expected to buy a gimbal or stabilizer based upon what we are seeing here? My kid gets better videos than this on his hand-me-down quad with a $99 gimbal, a GoPro and a cheap set of props. I wish to God that I had never given these people my hard earned money. Lesson learned. The Cinestar gimbal on the other hand is one of the most precisely crafted gimbals available. It does an amazing job and is simply brilliant in its design. There are a variety of well established stabilization add-ons out there from companies that will undoubtedly treat you better (Picloc for one), or use the newly improved F1 & F2 ports of your WKM and a full 6 volts from a Castle Creations BEC Pro if your servos call for this. Sorry for the rant but these comments are based upon my personal experience. I have nothing to gain from any of these companies but, apparently, plenty to lose.
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You have my sympathy DJI Flyer I also thought that I would try a PH gimbal with a RSGS stabiliser. Someone with my experience should have known better but I was caught out by the strong advertising claims. Everything about it's design is wrong but I was curious.
Everything that you say about quality control is correct. This stuff is at best overpriced hobbyist stuff for those who like to fart about trying to get it to work.
To put this into perspective the Zen which I believe is only the start to a new generation of stuff to come. (Not only from DJI) has a vibration attenuation feature built into the motor drive train. aside from which it has superb stabilization and accuracy, its operation is akin to using a full size pro system that costs half a million dollars. Just around the corner will come Auto Object Tracking which a company specialising in small mil. spec. stuff has had for a couple of years now. Check out DST in Sweden. The advancement that DJI has brought to current modeling technology is a massive step fwd. All this wibbly wobbly servo driven crap will be relegated to the piles of Post Stabilization Required junk.
Everything that you say about quality control is correct. This stuff is at best overpriced hobbyist stuff for those who like to fart about trying to get it to work.
To put this into perspective the Zen which I believe is only the start to a new generation of stuff to come. (Not only from DJI) has a vibration attenuation feature built into the motor drive train. aside from which it has superb stabilization and accuracy, its operation is akin to using a full size pro system that costs half a million dollars. Just around the corner will come Auto Object Tracking which a company specialising in small mil. spec. stuff has had for a couple of years now. Check out DST in Sweden. The advancement that DJI has brought to current modeling technology is a massive step fwd. All this wibbly wobbly servo driven crap will be relegated to the piles of Post Stabilization Required junk.
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Regretfully I would have to agree that the Skyline experience was a let down considering the initial videos posted showing rock solid stabilisation.
I was given a beta unit to test, and when it worked it worked well, but there were some issued that needed to be resolved, when the production units arrived, I thought that they had been resolved, but unfortunately they had not.
I do not agree that other companies like Picloc treat you better. Firstly the Piclocs are never available, and secondly I've been waiting over 6 months for a reply to my email, and the web site has some silly excuse that they have alot of emails and current customers get priority.
I get great service from Photohigher, its just a shame that they set the bar so high on the initial demos, and failed to deliver when it was time to do so.
I was given a beta unit to test, and when it worked it worked well, but there were some issued that needed to be resolved, when the production units arrived, I thought that they had been resolved, but unfortunately they had not.
I do not agree that other companies like Picloc treat you better. Firstly the Piclocs are never available, and secondly I've been waiting over 6 months for a reply to my email, and the web site has some silly excuse that they have alot of emails and current customers get priority.
I get great service from Photohigher, its just a shame that they set the bar so high on the initial demos, and failed to deliver when it was time to do so.
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wildnrg: I am curious to know: Have you seen the .pdf docmnet on the Photohigher website stating that one must now make modifcations to the servos on their AV200 gimbal in order to have the RSGS function with it? Here is how the comment reads at the beginning of the article: "This modification is essential if you want to use the Skyline RSGS stabilization board to control and stabilize your camera gimbal". It is several pages of pretty technical stuff presuming that people are actually willing to go through this in order to make Photohigher's own products work with one another. Is this for real?
You don't need to be concerned if you already own a PhotoHigher gimbal (AV130 or AV200). They come with the servo modification to external pot already done. I presume this pdf-guide is meant for users who want to use the Skyline RSGS on other gimbals.
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Thanks so much for commenting on this. It sure would have saved a great deal of concern if Photohigher had been a little more specific in their document rather than referring to it in such a general sense. To say, "This modification is essential if you want to use the Skyline RSGS stabilization board to control and stabilize your camera gimbal" is a little general. After all, the AV200 IS my gimbal. Now all we need them to do is find a way to get this Skyline working properly and maybe I can get back int he air. Thanks again for the good news!
New software/firmware posted
http://photohigher.co.nz/products/flight-and-gimbal-control-systems/skyline-gyro-rsgs/
http://photohigher.co.nz/products/flight-and-gimbal-control-systems/skyline-gyro-rsgs/
But makes no difference, for me anyway...
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Thanks for sending this along. I will check it out and see if it does any good. Can you tell me; does the RSGS work for you to provide any decent stabilization or am I not alone in my belief that this is just several hundred dollars that I foolishly spent based upon false promises? Which gimbal are you attempting to use this with? All of my equipment is absolutely top-notch but then in the end my stabilization relies on this RSGS. Its like having a Ferrari with old, peeling tires. Its just not going to get you where you need to go in the end. Have you by any chance posted any videos that you have done with this unit on board? I would be interested to see if you have any. Thanks again.
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by the way; did you make the 'wire loom' that they have outlined on their web site which isolates the power sources between the RSGS and the gimbal servos... and if so did it have any effect? I just love spending my money on someone else's science project
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Well, I think the major difference with this firmware is the auto setup procedure. The overall performance is exactly the same as it was with 1.1.3
I'm trying to use it on a DJI F550 with this gimbal http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1582036
While that gimbal may lack some rigidity, I don't think thats the main problem. With the Skyline i have "rattling" on the roll axis like every 5 seconds, followed by a "twitch" on tilt. And that goes on endlessly.....
Apart from that, I really think I could get a decent result. Disconnect one servo, roll or tilt, and the other axis is smooth (relatively)
No, I don't have any videos with this setup. I've been tweaking this gimbal/rsgs for so long I've forgotten how to fly this thing. I do have a Youtube channel, name "pairair", where any progress, if any, will be posted.
Yes, I put together the "H-loom". As far as I can tell, it had no effect.
There's another thread on this forum discussing this, http://www.multirotorforums.com/showthread.php?3304-Photohigher-skyline-rsgs/page63
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Well, I think the major difference with this firmware is the auto setup procedure. The overall performance is exactly the same as it was with 1.1.3
I'm trying to use it on a DJI F550 with this gimbal http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1582036
While that gimbal may lack some rigidity, I don't think thats the main problem. With the Skyline i have "rattling" on the roll axis like every 5 seconds, followed by a "twitch" on tilt. And that goes on endlessly.....
Apart from that, I really think I could get a decent result. Disconnect one servo, roll or tilt, and the other axis is smooth (relatively)
No, I don't have any videos with this setup. I've been tweaking this gimbal/rsgs for so long I've forgotten how to fly this thing. I do have a Youtube channel, name "pairair", where any progress, if any, will be posted.
Yes, I put together the "H-loom". As far as I can tell, it had no effect.
There's another thread on this forum discussing this, http://www.multirotorforums.com/showthread.php?3304-Photohigher-skyline-rsgs/page63
/Pär
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Thanks for your reply and information. Man, this is starting to sound pretty hopeless. I have tried to contact these people at Photohigher and they never respond. This is a real poke in the eye. If I come up with any major revelations I will let you know. By the way: I just looked at the gimbal you link to and it seems that if it is not an AV200 or AV100 it would not function properly unless you do that servo modification that they are outlining on their web site. Have you done the mod yet? This might be your problem if you have not. It states on there site: "This modification is essential if you want to use the Skyline RSGS stabilization board to control and stabilize your camera gimbal" (meaning YOUR gimbal, not one of theirs).
Yes, I "modded" my servos for external pot so they function with the skyline. On the other hand, it's now impossible to go back to use the Naza gimbal output. Unless I mod them back, I guess....
Tomorrow morning, if it isn't raining, I'll see if I can shoot some test video from the air. If so, I'll post it here.
Tomorrow morning, if it isn't raining, I'll see if I can shoot some test video from the air. If so, I'll post it here.
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I figured you were aware of the mod. but I was hoping. Sorry to hear that you have been through all of this only to wind up here. I am tinkering with mine at the moment, trying to do the upgrades for firmware and software and then on to the loom. Oh joy. I'd still like to see some videos when you have them. Good luck.