Hey iceman17. Just had a look at your ice and snow video. Made me homesick. I grew up in Calgary a long time ago. Born 1941. Now I live in the sub tropical heat of Durban South Africa. When, on rare occasions, it snows in the mountains near us, it's a big deal. Just wondered where exactly you lived? By the way, I also fly a Phantom and encountered my own unpleasant issue that resulted in a gut wrenching smack into a tree. But, generally, it flies well enough to allow manouvering around trees, between branches, etc. Give me a shout and let me know where you are if you have time. Have a great day, Jack Green - greenj@telkonsa.net http://www.multirotorforums.com/member.php?6892-egoli